LIV Golf

[Deleted member 21445]

Look at the likes of McDowell and Mickleson and their performances so far

Just on the quote above - Form is temporary for every pro golfer.
You can't just turn on good play like a tap.
Im sure your not implying Phil Mickleson is a poor golfer and can't return to playing great golf again?

Every tour is littered with Golfers who have enjoyed real success only to go through a bad patch.
Jordan Spieth is an example that springs to mind, great to see him back at the top of PGA Tour leader boards again.

 

[HeftyHacker]

But that’s what will happen with LIV. Team franchises, team sponsorships, player sponsorships… The teams will want the best players available, the better teams will win more money, and in turn, generate more money.
There will be huge similarities between how football teams operate, and how LIV teams operate - although I guess LIV will be nearer to the US based sports than those in the UK.

I just cannot see this happening how you say it will.

Whenever they try to push this team element it just seems so contrived and forced... "and heres the crushers team having breakfast together" along with about 30 cameras recording awkward conversation.

Theres absolutely nothing to tie a supporter to a team. At least in most other team sports in the world you at least have a town or city that the club represents. Having four English golfers isn't going to make me support the majesticks, its not enough of a tie.

 

[fenwayrich]

Golf is essentially a sport played by individuals where you cannot influence the effort of the opposition. I appreciate that the Ryder Cup has been successful in adding a 'team' element every two years, because of the rivalry between two continents. This LIV idea is nonsense because there is nothing to tie the individuals together, or for spectators to support them.

There is another problem. Suppose Dustin Johnson arrives at the last hole and makes par for a total of 205. On his last hole, Dustin's Gutta Percha teammate Fred Stickinsect has a putt for birdie to win the team prize by 1 shot. A birdie will also give Stickinsect a total of 204 and a one shot victory in the Individual event. Is Dustin going to be thinking 'knock it in Freddie boy, up the Perchas'? Or, perhaps, would he prefer an alternative outcome?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Just on the quote above - Form is temporary for every pro golfer.
You can't just turn on good play like a tap.
im sure your not implying Phil Mickleson is a poor golfer and can't return to playing great golf again?

Every tour is littered with Golfers who have enjoyed real success only to go through a bad patch.
Jordan Spieth is an example that springs to mind, great to see him back at the top of PGA Tour leader boards again.

I’m pretty sure that Mickleson even before moving wouldn’t be challenging the top level again unless it was on the champions tour

Same with the likes of McDowell , Kaymer , Westwood , Garcia and Poulter

DJ clearly would be and the likes of BDC and Koepka was injury dependent

 

[Slab]

With all the aged, injured, infirm and players generally never gonna win again, that have moved to liv and that until recently were plying their trade on the pgat... its a wonder people like Rory didn't win more often

 

[IanM]

If you get paid a bomb just to appear, Where's the incentive to do the time on the practice ground? We'll increasingly see some shocking scores at the bottom of the leaderboard

 

[Deleted member 21445]

If you get paid a bomb just to appear, Where's the incentive to do the time on the practice ground? We'll increasingly see some shocking scores at the bottom of the leaderboard

Every tournament has shocking scores at the bottom of the leaderboard, hence why they are there..
Regardless of circumstances a big proportion of every field turn up without their A game, you just don't see it on TV.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

This whole Liv thing isn't going to be instigated by Greg Norman or the PGA Tour.

It's going to be instigated by THE PLAYERS...

If enough top 50 players are tempted by the money then Liv will be a big success..

If not I can see it plodding along for a while and then fizzing out.

I honestly think its as simple as that.

 

[Depreston]

This whole Liv thing isn't going to be instigated by Greg Norman or the PGA Tour.

It's going to be instigated by THE PLAYERS...

If enough top 50 players are tempted by the money then Liv will be a big success..

If not I can see it plodding along for a while and then fizzing out.

I honestly think its as simple as that.

the players and the PIF

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The same sort of people that buy football clubs, or fund NBA teams, or buy racehorses, or finance F1 teams……
Let’s not forget, the Saudis are very well connected to a huge network of businesses across the globe through the PIF.

So football clubs ( established team sport ) , NBA teams ( established teams sport) , F1 ( established team sport ) and racehorses don’t cost that level but people buy racehorses at the expensive levels when they are already have stables etc

Also people buy football clubs as investments and the clubs will be in competitions that are earning clubs millions etc - same with NBA and IPL , F1 or indeed any other team sport

Currently PIF are funding the whole LIV top to bottom - if a “team” is put up for the sale that would mean it would need to be financially viable to run as no one will be willing to lose money and fund at the level the players are now - £100mil plus for the top players , where is the income coming from to help pay those golfers ?

The likes of football etc get huge levels of income from Telly deals and also big levels of sponsorship - do you really think that LIV will be able to stand on its own and be able to generate income to the level needed to pay the players ? And that’s on top of providing the prize funds as well ?

You are trying suggest that a franchise golf team can work along the same lines as franchise cricket teams - there is not a chance of that because golf is not a team sport

Unless you think they bin off the individual prize for each comp ?


This is also a good thread about the ranking points

https://twitter.com/x/status/1543644864755154944

 

[ColchesterFC]

I like the suggestion that LIV stands for Lacking Integrity and Values.

 

[BubbaP]

Looking forward to watching a couple of weeks of golf in Scotland.

Then the end of July will be interesting with 'Bedminster' up with 'Rocket Mortgage' ?

 

[Marshy77]

Ryder Cup captain supposed to be going now too* ?

*According to social media rumors

 

[IanM]

Every tournament has shocking scores at the bottom of the leaderboard, hence why they are there..

Sorry, the point i was making was that on the LIV, these guys are still getting paid lots of money. There is no cut!!

On the regular tour they miss the cut and get paid nothing.

 

[Foxholer]

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On the regular tour they miss the cut and get paid nothing.

And still have to pay their Caddy for the week!

 

[Foxholer]

This whole Liv thing isn't going to be instigated by Greg Norman or the PGA Tour.

It's going to be instigated by THE PLAYERS...

If enough top 50 players are tempted by the money then Liv will be a big success..

If not I can see it plodding along for a while and then fizzing out.

I honestly think its as simple as that.

The guy driving it is Greg Norman and it'll be his, with PIF's cash backing, efforts that swing players to it.
TPGAT are only reacting to what they perceive a threat.
I agree re top 50 (or thereabouts) players being important, though even those 51-100 are great/well known golfers.
I can see it being a 'interesting circus' but not the 'existential threat' Monahan identifies it as.
Key to it's acceptance/survival is allocation of OWGR points. There are quite a few issues LIV would have to overcome to be included (period of existence, only 54 holes, no cut being major technical ones and sheer existence/nature being a 'political' one!)

 

[Lord Tyrion]

And still have to pay their Caddy for the week!

Plus travel, plus accommodation, plus living expenses. Perhaps no money for those missing the cut is one aspect of golf to consign to the history books? Is there another sport where some professional sports players do not get paid despite taking part?

 

[Mel Smooth]

Plus travel, plus accommodation, plus living expenses. Perhaps no money for those missing the cut is one aspect of golf to consign to the history books? Is there another sport where some professional sports players do not get paid despite taking part?

Would have been a smart move by Monahan to announce a player and caddy costs incurred support payment when he found all those millions for prize money a week or so ago. If he’s just going to give it Rory, Justin, or Will, he needn’t have bothered, they don’t want or need it according to their own comments.

 

[IanM]

I was going to mention the expenses, but wonder if the jeopardy of missing cut is what sets golf apart ?

 

[PJ87]

I was going to mention the expenses, but wonder if the jeopardy of missing cut is what sets golf apart ?

There must be a middle ground, the big dogs get sponsors so Rory and say rahm they miss the cut.. small fry they still got money in the bank

Your smaller guy misses cut and has to pay his caddy and cover his own costs

Now all Id like to see is the caddy's costs covered..as caddying can be down to luck if you get a winner or not.. sometimes a bit of know how but say Rory's caddy whilst a good golfer has got that gig cuz he's his mate. Westwoods had the wife on the bag etc

So if they just covered the costs so the caddies weren't out of pocket fair play

The player pays them a fee and the tour pays their travel , accomodation and food

Seems reasonable