AMcC
Journeyman Pro
Would agree with that, but Dave Pelz advocates swinging to the same finish point on all shots irrespective of backswing length, others just say to same respective height as backswing.
I had a lesson today and... (rolling thread)
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Would agree with that, but Dave Pelz advocates swinging to the same finish point on all shots irrespective of backswing length, others just say to same respective height as backswing.
shortgame
Tour Rookie
shortgame
Tour Rookie
👍👍 that's the method I use although some prefer to swing through to a fuller finish position which I guess is also fine
@HJS hope you don't mind me posting the above image to illustrate the point, in the hope it helps you mate 👍👍
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Agreed with that, just started going though the process of shortening my backswing on very short chips (ie less than say 30 yards, above this was fine). Took me about 7 months to think and realise it over the weekend.
I had been swinging the club far to far back on short chips, ie with the length of backswing I could hit double the distance with normal acceleration, with the result of a lot of duffs, thins or typically very short shots as I was decelerating into the impact area. As a reflection I was only getting up and down 1 in 6-9 times, was leaving putts of 6-15 foot to sink (most of these chips are within 5 yards of the green).
Yesterday was the first time trying it with a much shorter backswing and it feels so much better/more like a normal swing acceleration and results were promising. Time will tell. :mmm:
AMcC
Journeyman Pro
Had a lesson this afternoon.
My first pitch to a 35 yd target was quite close, but it turned out that was luck and timing rather than effective technique.
I had been standing too close to the ball and almost flipping my wrists on the way back, meaning the club head was way inside my hands. On the way down and through there was no body rotation, meaning I was trying to flip my hands at the ball, sometimes I got lucky, sometimes, most times, I didn't.
We worked on a better takeaway, keeping the club outside the hands and then hinging and holding. On the way down I had to rotate my body more but keeping the hinge and holding the club off. I was standing a bit more open and was told to think of each pitch as a fade. Also had my towel stuffed in my left armpit and thought about turning that away from the ball, maintaining the connection with upper arm on the torso. He also got me to try the same distance of pitch with a 7 iron, i.e. open the face up and go through the same process as above. I will use these thoughts with future pitches.
Results were amazing, considering the change needed. Many sounded really solid with great ball then turf contact. Couldn't believe the height I was getting considering the shortness of the shot. Just need to keep practicing the shots and take it to the course, can't wait until I play or practice next
My first pitch to a 35 yd target was quite close, but it turned out that was luck and timing rather than effective technique.
I had been standing too close to the ball and almost flipping my wrists on the way back, meaning the club head was way inside my hands. On the way down and through there was no body rotation, meaning I was trying to flip my hands at the ball, sometimes I got lucky, sometimes, most times, I didn't.
We worked on a better takeaway, keeping the club outside the hands and then hinging and holding. On the way down I had to rotate my body more but keeping the hinge and holding the club off. I was standing a bit more open and was told to think of each pitch as a fade. Also had my towel stuffed in my left armpit and thought about turning that away from the ball, maintaining the connection with upper arm on the torso. He also got me to try the same distance of pitch with a 7 iron, i.e. open the face up and go through the same process as above. I will use these thoughts with future pitches.
Results were amazing, considering the change needed. Many sounded really solid with great ball then turf contact. Couldn't believe the height I was getting considering the shortness of the shot. Just need to keep practicing the shots and take it to the course, can't wait until I play or practice next
shortgame
Tour Rookie
👆👆 Sounds like your new technique will give you more consistency 👍👍
AMcC
Journeyman Pro
Yes, hopefully. Certainly during the lesson the grouping was an awful lot better. I had a habit of knifing the ball on a few shots, but hardly hit any during the changes 😀
Scoobiesnax
Assistant Pro
Had a lesson Monday evening to sort out a few things -a sort of MOT/Service!
Looks like I have to work on 3/4 things for now before other tweaks further down the line will make any difference.
Firstly and the most important thing for me I feel at the minute is tempo - After watching a few swings my pro basically said I was far too fast in my take away and back swing. He got me to say (or mouth) the word 'seventeen' and to make sure my I wasn't at the top of my back swing before I had muttered the word! Hey presto I started hitting the ball crisper, with nice trajectory and at a good distance - accuracy has to be worked on!!
Secondly, he worked on my take away and position of the club head which he said was too open and needed to be closed a tad more especially on the down swing - he commented that this was the reason why I was pushing the ball right at times. This will need considerable work to get into a good repetition and muscle memory especially the position of my right hand on my down swing.
Thirdly - and I knew I was doing this but couldn't get out the habit - I need to to relax my right leg during my swing as it is rigid straight and causing me problems during my swing. I need to imagine I'm crushing something with my heel as I swing - again this will take a while to get out of the habit as I knew I was doing it but couldn't snap myself out of it!
Lastly - and this one is down the line once I have sorted the three problems above me. He got me shaping the ball with a slight draw which was beautiful to see but doing it when it matters on the golf course is another story!!
All in all I left the lesson buzzing as I felt there were things to work on that will improve my game and as I was doing it fairly well with the pro and I know it is in there - just got to let it out!!
Looks like I have to work on 3/4 things for now before other tweaks further down the line will make any difference.
Firstly and the most important thing for me I feel at the minute is tempo - After watching a few swings my pro basically said I was far too fast in my take away and back swing. He got me to say (or mouth) the word 'seventeen' and to make sure my I wasn't at the top of my back swing before I had muttered the word! Hey presto I started hitting the ball crisper, with nice trajectory and at a good distance - accuracy has to be worked on!!
Secondly, he worked on my take away and position of the club head which he said was too open and needed to be closed a tad more especially on the down swing - he commented that this was the reason why I was pushing the ball right at times. This will need considerable work to get into a good repetition and muscle memory especially the position of my right hand on my down swing.
Thirdly - and I knew I was doing this but couldn't get out the habit - I need to to relax my right leg during my swing as it is rigid straight and causing me problems during my swing. I need to imagine I'm crushing something with my heel as I swing - again this will take a while to get out of the habit as I knew I was doing it but couldn't snap myself out of it!
Lastly - and this one is down the line once I have sorted the three problems above me. He got me shaping the ball with a slight draw which was beautiful to see but doing it when it matters on the golf course is another story!!
All in all I left the lesson buzzing as I felt there were things to work on that will improve my game and as I was doing it fairly well with the pro and I know it is in there - just got to let it out!!
YamiKuriboh
Assistant Pro
Had a lesson last week. My biggest issue is coming over the top on the downswing and an out to in swing path causing: a lack of power, a slice, untold other issues.
Pro had me really focusing on keeping the hands closer to the body and lower my right shoulder on the downswing. My swing looks a lot better but haven't nailed this consistently yet - got to keep at it.
Pro had me really focusing on keeping the hands closer to the body and lower my right shoulder on the downswing. My swing looks a lot better but haven't nailed this consistently yet - got to keep at it.
Reloaded at last
AMcC
Journeyman Pro
At a recent lesson I was told to try and focus on my left shoulder moving up, another way of saying what you were told I suppose. What I have found with recent lessons is that I have also been watching you tube videos with the usual suspects and taking salient information from them. Sometimes just someone explaining it a slightly different way or telling you to get a certain feeling can make all the difference in understanding what you are meant to be doing.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Have you got this training aid? pretty sure it would be worth its weight in gold for you. It would IMO limit your outside take away, keep your arms and body better connected and limit the length of your backswing.
[video=youtube;K7TPQ9VweE4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7TPQ9VweE4[/video]
I did have one years ago but ended up rarely using it. Didn't actually find it that beneficial. I do have this which I have used more often and could consider using again
https://www.amazon.co.uk/JL-Golf-Power-Band-Training/dp/B00LRGK2W2
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
I'd say you would drop that ball these days with most swings. why dont you take both of those to the range and record that. Bound to make an immediate improvement.
Got rid of the ball yonks ago as it was gathering dust
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Time to get another one
It would help you no end. You may not have needed it at the time but you do now.
Good lesson today. Trying to keep my legs from collapsing and create a better coil. Then trying to improve takeaway. All with the intention of creating a more consistent strike.
By the end I was hitting the centre of the club pretty consistently, the trajectory was vastly improved and the distance of shots increased. All very promising. Off out for nine holes tomorrow to see if I can put this into practice.
By the end I was hitting the centre of the club pretty consistently, the trajectory was vastly improved and the distance of shots increased. All very promising. Off out for nine holes tomorrow to see if I can put this into practice.
Good luck tomorrow. I tried my changes today in rain and with waterproofs on so not good but hard to be totally objective in such circumstances
Cheers. Trying to put alterations into place is always hard, they never seem to quite flow after a lesson. Trying to do them in the rain makes life even harder so I feel for you there. The weather up here looks decent tomorrow so I should get a fair crack at it.
Slightly excited Homer. Went out for nine holes and hit the ball consistently cleanly and straight. It was a different game.
The only question I'm asking now is why the heck didn't I have this lesson earlier in the year 😕. Ah well, it could make winter golf for fun 😁.
The only question I'm asking now is why the heck didn't I have this lesson earlier in the year 😕. Ah well, it could make winter golf for fun 😁.
