I don't expect anyone to answer this...

[timgolfy]

...but it may prove an interesting discussion. (If you could answer you'd probably be a pro on the PGA tour.)

How do you groove a "feel" for distance control?

With a full swing you go for full power (or 85%+, say) so distance control is irrelevant (other than knowing your club distances). But for lag putting, for chipping, and for short pitching where distance is equally as important as line, how can you judge and then groove the feel for power?

The nearest I've seen is Dave Pelz's Short Game Bible in which he recommends the clock positioning on the backswing. But that's pretty pointless if the power through the swing is not constant.

 

[Imurg]

There is no "power" in the short game. It's all about "feel" and "judgement".
And the only way to get them is to practise real situations where you have to make those shots.
And the best place to practice them is.....?

 

[timgolfy]

And your handicap is?

 

[Losttheplot]

If you keep the momentum equal for your putting then the length of the backswing determines how 'hard' you strike the ball. Simples.

Bob is probably great explaining this in greater detail.

 

[timgolfy]

If you keep the momentum equal for your putting then the length of the backswing determines how 'hard' you strike the ball. Simples.

But how do you groove that feeling of momentum so that it doesn't change from hole to hole and day to day?

 

[Whee]

Why ask a question and then slate the first person to reply?

 

[timgolfy]

Why ask a question and then slate the first person to reply?

Because some people just enjoy criticising others whilst keeping their own head buried in the sand. I'd rather not associate with that behaviour.

 

[Imurg]

And your handicap is?

Lower than yours!!

Why do you ask questions on here?
I gave an honest reply and you've chucked it back at me.
I hope your Golf Ettiqutte is better than your Forum Ettiqutte.

 

[richart]

Why ask a question and then slate the first person to reply?

Because some people just enjoy criticising others whilst keeping their own head buried in the sand. I'd rather not associate with that behaviour.

Is it possible to have your head buried in the sand, and criticise at the same time. Think you might get a mouthful of sand.

 

[timgolfy]

And your handicap is?

Lower than yours!!

Why do you ask questions on here?
I gave an honest reply and you've chucked it back at me.
I hope your Golf Ettiqutte is better than your Forum Ettiqutte.

Really? You've done nothing but throw insults at me from my first post, all because my method of achieving my goals doesn't match yours. Perhaps you should analyse your own game before lambasting others'? "I can't so you definitely can't."

 

[timgolfy]

DELETE THREAD.

 

[Losttheplot]

If you keep the momentum equal for your putting then the length of the backswing determines how 'hard' you strike the ball. Simples.

But how do you groove that feeling of momentum so that it doesn't change from hole to hole and day to day?

If you accept that one method for putting is like a pendulum. Well you have your backswing and then follow through like a pendulum. Try to ensure you are accelerating through the ball though. It's only a slight push through as you still want the momentum effect. So if you take back 6 inches and putt then that's the common distance for that backswing etc etc for a longer backswing.

The only way to groove the 'feel' for it is to practise it. Like going on the range and grooving your swing it's tue same with the putting green. If you don't practise putting you wont learn the feel for the putting.
I suppose if you ensure you take your time with your putting and not rush your swing then that helps.
Try practising the feel for the momentum pivoting between your shoulders and allowing gravity to swing the club and you push through on the downswing a little to ensure your not decelerating on impact....


Just my opinions on it. As it's a feel thing, I'm sure it's quite different for others.

 

[NWJocko]

Bad mood day today timmy boy!?

I would suggest you "groove" it in the same way you have te rest of ur clubs, i.e. practice.

Chipping on the par 3 course you have, hit 40 yards etc with different clubs so you learn what each swing feels like. Could be done in conjunction with the clockface thing perhaps?

 

[Imurg]

And your handicap is?

Lower than yours!!

Why do you ask questions on here?
I gave an honest reply and you've chucked it back at me.
I hope your Golf Ettiqutte is better than your Forum Ettiqutte.

Really? You've done nothing but throw insults at me from my first post, all because my method of achieving my goals doesn't match yours. Perhaps you should analyse your own game before lambasting others'? "I can't so you definitely can't."

What was insulting about the 1st reply on this thread?
It's an honest answer.
If you don't want to listen then that's up to you.
Your method of achieving your goals is your business. The only disagreement you've had from me is when you start dismissing other peoples methods because they're not the same as yours. Other people who have been playing this game a long time and built up years of experience, including a PGA Pro. YOu talk about having heads buried in the sand - take a look at yourself first.

 

[Sponge1980]

But how do you groove that feeling of momentum so that it doesn't change from hole to hole and day to day?

At our level of golf I think it's difficult to groove any kind of swing that does the same thing on a day to day basis. I dont think I've ever played 2 consecutive rounds where I've hit the ball the same way, espicially my short game. This is what happens when you play golf and you just have to deal with it on the day.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Looks like Timmy's "Time of the month"

When an experienced golfer with a single figure handicap talks to you, you should listen as you might learn something

Seriously Tim, you can theorise until the cows come home.

It makes no odds, out on the golf course you cant guarantee that you will be a certain distance from a hole, you cant guarantee the lie or the slope. It will vary from shot to shot. Thats why you need to develop a "feel"

Its time to fly the nest and start playing, You cant learn course management from a book, you learn it through experience, and at the moment you have none.

Fragger

 

[sawtooth]

If you keep the momentum equal for your putting then the length of the backswing determines how 'hard' you strike the ball. Simples.

But how do you groove that feeling of momentum so that it doesn't change from hole to hole and day to day?

By adopting good habits and sticking to them. For me good golf is all about forming good habits. Adopt a good posture and stick to it, hold the club right and stick to it, stand the same distance from the ball each time, always stand square, etc, etc. The list goes on and easier said than done and before you shoot me down in flames I can't do this myself else I would be playing golf for a living.

If you want consistency in judging pace of putts for example then same applies. Always hold the club the same way, always stand the same distance from the ball, always put the ball in the same place in your stance, always have the same arm set up..... If you were robot-like in repeating the same things over and over you would be as consistent as you can be and eventually predict how far you hit the ball each time. Of course you have to take into account variables like slope, grass length, etc,

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I don't expect anyone to answer this...

What an odd title for a forum post

 

[chrisd]

Trouble is Timmy, Imurg is dead right!

You have to get yourself in situations and play the shots. The more you do it the better the shots become, you have to have a sound technique but " feel" is just that.

For example: I played to a par 3 yesterday, hit a down slope with a bit too much club. I had a 25 to 30 ft chip and run back to the pin from a cr*p lie. I took my 58* wedge and the shot went just as I visualised it beforehand. It was my Seve "shot of the day" .

It would have been impossible to pull off (for me) using the Peltz method as it was experience, feel and touch and, as Imurg says, you can only get that on the course


Chris

 

[sev112]

Pace out all your puts - that will give you an indication of how far back your backswing shoudl be for the putt
Then make sure you pace (heel to toe) how much you over/underhit
Then keep a record of every putt
Pretty soon you will find that your distance control gets much better.
But you must pace out EVERY putt in order to do this

Make sure you let your playing partners know what you are diong ebfore you start your round so that they can support you in your endeavour