robbest3offthetee
Tour Rookie
Tim, It is Wooly and Unrepeatable,Because no shot is the same,You cannot go on that theory,You have to "feel" certain shots !!!1
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G_Mulligan
Tour Rookie
Exactly. As I may have mentioned once or twice it is in Dave Peltz short game bible. Read it, if you have read it read it again. As for not being scientific the man worked as a rocket scientist for NASA!!!
Does Not Compute.
Seriously, I don't buy it. It's like saying that Tour Pros (and anyone who is good at anything) is "gifted". There's always a reason.
You're absolutely right - Pelz does mention "constant rhythm", reading it now.
G_Mulligan
Tour Rookie
Tell you what is good for building tempo. Rythmically banging your head against a lamp post. Seriously am I the frigging invisible man or something?
Who said that?
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Ok tim hit the range with your wedges and try a few different things:
Full swing with normal grip and choked 2-3" down the grip
As above at half swing.
Unfortunately everyone is different with wedges abd it's just trial and error to find your "click that works". Like your power training once you find your consistent grip vs swing to get the distances just grove them.
Ah abd send imurg something pretty for being a cock
Full swing with normal grip and choked 2-3" down the grip
As above at half swing.
Unfortunately everyone is different with wedges abd it's just trial and error to find your "click that works". Like your power training once you find your consistent grip vs swing to get the distances just grove them.
Ah abd send imurg something pretty for being a cock
robbest3offthetee
Tour Rookie
Not everything comes down to science Tim,You are trying to over complicate things,When you have played the game a certain amount of years these type of shots come natural to you,you cannot explain it,you just get down and play the shot you think is right at that particular moment,if it comes off great,if not so be it,thats why we are h/cap golfers!!!!..
bluetoon
Challenge Tour Pro
Thats the thing about the 'short game' its a game within a game. For 80-90yds i have a stock shot, (full 56deg wedge), for 60-70yds(3/4 56deg wedge). For shots <50yds you need the feel of a surgeon to get close to the pin.
The longer 60-90yds shots will create backspin and the ball checks up after the first bounce due to swing speed.
The sub 50 yards are subject to thins, fats and need to be more creative, these will normally be my bump and run shots, but really depends on where the pin is and whats in front of the pin. These are the hardest shots in the round due to the unpredictable nature of the shot and its normally where you see the better players shine. Ie the ability to get close to the pin from awkward lies. The ability to scramble and 'feel' the shot is the Holy grail of golf and it can't be found at the range. It comes with hitting countless balls from <50yrds to different greens with different pin positions from different lies.
The longer 60-90yds shots will create backspin and the ball checks up after the first bounce due to swing speed.
The sub 50 yards are subject to thins, fats and need to be more creative, these will normally be my bump and run shots, but really depends on where the pin is and whats in front of the pin. These are the hardest shots in the round due to the unpredictable nature of the shot and its normally where you see the better players shine. Ie the ability to get close to the pin from awkward lies. The ability to scramble and 'feel' the shot is the Holy grail of golf and it can't be found at the range. It comes with hitting countless balls from <50yrds to different greens with different pin positions from different lies.
G_Mulligan
Tour Rookie
hahaha a reply from Tim Golfy right on cue now I look like a right tool 
Ah abd send imurg something pretty for being a cock
I'll send him a video of my 333 drive.
G_Mulligan
Tour Rookie
comedy gold
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Ah abd send imurg something pretty for being a cock
I'll send him a video of my 333 drive.
Wind against , 80% compression range balls, uphill, in the rain, with a 5i?
I'm trying to simplify it! I don't mind being accused of over-simplifying, not not complicating!
I fully accept (and always have), that learning how to play these shots comes down to experience and can only be learned on the course. However, I don't believe that you need to be playing a 4-hour round of 18 holes to do this.
RGDave
Money List Winner
Beautiful. Undoubtedly the best post I've read in ages.
Not only that, but I feel a bit better about my struggles yesterday. Thanks.
robbest3offthetee
Tour Rookie
Calibration... Analogue... Whats all that about then !!!
haplesshacker
Money List Winner
Personally, the clockface method doesn't work for me. It all becomes to mechanical and I lose all 'feel' for the shot. I was always a 'seat of the pants' type. Trial and error, and learning 'the touch'. That and a shed load of practice. I still shank it occasionally of give up on the shot because my mind isn't on it. But generally it's one part of my game that although could be better, I'm reasonably happy with.
I also spend a fair bit of time chipping fir cones off the grass at home to clear the lawn of the hundreds that fall on it. Okay, it's not a golf ball, but the technique gets ingrained.
I also spend a fair bit of time chipping fir cones off the grass at home to clear the lawn of the hundreds that fall on it. Okay, it's not a golf ball, but the technique gets ingrained.
Whereditgo
Journeyman Pro
Same for me, the clockface drill has some success from further out but once I get much less than 50 yards away I find it just doesn't get me the results.
Generally there is more requirement for creativity from less than 50 yards, hazards come into play, where the flag is on the green relative to the ball position all mean different type of shots might be required.
I try to simplify it as much as I can and generally will use 7 iron for bump and runs and 'putting' from the very fringe, PW if I need to get a bit more carry, 52 deg wherever possible and SW or LW (if it's in the bag) if I have to get up and down quick.
I definitely go on feel, don't even want to know the actual yardage, simply look at the target, picture the ball pitching and rolling out while having a few practice swings and then concentrate on getting a good contact on the ball.
Sometimes it even works!
Generally there is more requirement for creativity from less than 50 yards, hazards come into play, where the flag is on the green relative to the ball position all mean different type of shots might be required.
I try to simplify it as much as I can and generally will use 7 iron for bump and runs and 'putting' from the very fringe, PW if I need to get a bit more carry, 52 deg wherever possible and SW or LW (if it's in the bag) if I have to get up and down quick.
I definitely go on feel, don't even want to know the actual yardage, simply look at the target, picture the ball pitching and rolling out while having a few practice swings and then concentrate on getting a good contact on the ball.
Sometimes it even works!
bluetoon
Challenge Tour Pro
I can guarantee you won't find it at a range hitting off a plastic matt to tyres, fag sticks or rusty cars. Or hitting 200 balls with the same club from the same place.
These skills are learnt in a short game practice area. hitting balls from different locations, different clubs and different lies from surfaces that you will find on the course. But When you have practiced these skills and you suddenly need to produce it under the pressure of competition, thats another story.
