Ha ha. That is probably true and perhaps I would have a different viewpoint then. If I did play with one like that then I know I would not be playing with them again.
How strict are you at enforcing the rules with your PP's ??
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Ha ha. That is probably true and perhaps I would have a different viewpoint then. If I did play with one like that then I know I would not be playing with them again.
I stopped caring a long time ago and just leave people to it. The game is choc full of cheats and if you pull them on it they get the hump and pull out the usual guff about it it "not being the open", "Its just a fun game".
GaryK
Assistant Pro
The thing is LT, if you're playing in a comp (as per the OP), chances are that you're not going to have much choice who you play with.
Your comment that you would not be playing with them again only applies to social golf.
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Depends on the club, only 1 comp is drawn at our place, every other comp is upto yourself.
ScienceBoy
Money List Winner
I agree with that, not sure I was getting my point across.
I meant it more as you can be seen as helpful for things like teeing off behind marker and checking provisional. Ten minutes later you can be seen as a rules bore for asking them if the ball moved at address.
It’s not your job to keep them in line and help them with everything before they do it so you give them a chance to own up if something goes wrong or sort it or later with an official. Rules must still be enforced in a competition otherwise it’s not fair on all who entered and abided by the rules.
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In a comp, I would definitely comment ... or, if a minor breach like a slightly misplaced marked ball, I would comment on a second occurrence. If it was a social round, I wouldn’t bother or else make a joke out of it ... it’s only for fun after all.
I've yet to be a member of a club where comps are drawn. Not deliberate, it is just not the norm in the clubs near to me. I book for a comp the same as social golf, via BRS with the other golfers playing all visible.
I get your point if the circumstances were different and if some smart alec decided to be clever, as has been suggested, then second time around I would be Mr Pedantic to make sure it didn't happen again. Would take a lot of joy out of the round though 😞
Jamesbrown
Head Pro
If you aren’t laughing at ***** whiffers, then it’ll be you who isn’t fun to play with chap! But I suppose it’s your own personal perception of what’s fun and isn’t so I won’t take offence.
Just to add. I am very fun to play with! Unless partners are miserable!
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Interesting....one of the key things that I like about the place that I play is that, pretty much, all comps are drawn...the only thing a player has the remotest of control over is whether he tees off early in the comp or late....and given that comps are played "en bloc" with tee times from 7.30am through to mid day, depending on how many other players want an early, very early or very very early tee time....you might find yourself teeing off mid morning when you wanted an early tee time.
The good thing about this (in my opinion) is that it gets newcomers to the club meeting a variety of players and gets them integrated into the club quickly. I'm not sure I could easily adjust to a club where the vast majority of tees in a comp are effectively pre-booked by the same groups of golfers and newcomers as a result struggle to find a spare slot.
Also...with the same old groups of players playing together week in week out...do you not think that it might allow players to be a bit more "relaxed with the rules" with each other if they are a tightly knit bunch? The flipside is that perhaps they would have no issues with highlighting a rules breach with players they are more familiar with....so I guess it works both ways.
Sorry to drag the thread slightly off topic...but I hope I've dragged it back again!!
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There’s no right or wrong answer to drawn or not drawn comps, I’ve had the opposite of you and never been at a club that does draw comps, until retiring I’d moved around a lot and never had an issue finding a slot or being made welcome.
As for the relaxed or strict on a rules breach, that’s a red herring, imo, a rules breach is a rules breach and if you choose to ignore it, that’ll be down to you, not whether a pp is a mate or a stranger.
NJD, I wouldn't disagree regarding drawn competitions encouraging better mixing of members. Do you find some people mysteriously seem to get drawn together still? Incidentally, I was not making a pro or anti comment regarding comps being drawn, it was more a factual statement of how it has worked at the 4 clubs I have been a member of.
Depends if its in a comp, a bounce game for money or just a knock with mates. The first 2 I'd expect to be played by the rules. The provisional I'd ask "is it a provisional." Ball marking I'd pull them for, and have done with players in the past. Air shots would be clarified with "so that's a 4 then." When they say 3, a discussion would be had.
xreyuk
Assistant Pro
In a comp - play by the rules
Playing with mates competitively (i.e for money) - Play by the rules
Playing just for a knock with a couple of mates - Do what you want, we're practicing.
Playing with mates competitively (i.e for money) - Play by the rules
Playing just for a knock with a couple of mates - Do what you want, we're practicing.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Do you advise them to try the tree wood next time?
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Absolutely not. My fellow committee members and I are aware of the "friends" and the pairings that have in the past resulted in "unusually high scores for one or other player", we know which players have fallen under suspicion in the past and we do our best to keep them apart....however, with us being a relatively small club with a regular core of golfers who enter our comps it is perhaps inevitable that pairings will get repeated....but as we play in 3-balls the committee member doing the draw will always add a "trustee" to the two ball....someone who can keep an eye on them and is perfectly willing to actively correct any "miscounting" shall we say.
No I realise you were not making a comment either way on the pros/cons of drawn comps....I was just surprised that,
not knowing how many clubs you had been a member of until your last post,
none of the clubs you've ever been a member of had drawn comps.Based on what I read here and elsewhere, my guess would be that having comps drawn is less common, what with the "tee time booking software" that is often employed by many clubs...I just didn't expect it to be a "rarity"!!
nickjdavis
Head Pro
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
In a competition I'll adhere to the rules and I'm not adverse to pulling the rule book out and showing my PP the ruling and the penalty for not adhering. My take is very simple. If you enter a competition, there is an implied understanding that you know the rules sufficiently and be able to proceed accordingly.
jusme
Challenge Tour Pro
I play with a bunch of people who are not too educated about the rules. I tend to know them as I see them as interesting and not a chore. I work hard on a weekly basis to educate those I play with by using one or two examples every week as a discussion point. That being said and to some extent I am ashamed of this but I turn a blind eye to some rules broken if done so by error or mistake (never do so if done by someone who knows better) at times. Only if they are way out of the game as no benefit is gained in real terms. I make a point of discussing the infraction soon after in terms of ongoing education. If the person is anywhere near to contending I impose the penalty and explain why.
It's important to me to try and help and I know ignoring infractions at any point is a no no to some. I use every opportunity to educate and I hope long term my PP will all advance in rules knowledge.
Also I will do all I can to help someone avoid a penalty before they do so. Sitting back and watching someone do something wrong when you know they are about to do so in my opinion is about as low as you can go. I never want to play golf with someone who does this.
It's important to me to try and help and I know ignoring infractions at any point is a no no to some. I use every opportunity to educate and I hope long term my PP will all advance in rules knowledge.
Also I will do all I can to help someone avoid a penalty before they do so. Sitting back and watching someone do something wrong when you know they are about to do so in my opinion is about as low as you can go. I never want to play golf with someone who does this.
Franco
Assistant Pro
This sums it up for me and unless we are practising, I always call the rule breach. I am prepared to face hostility from people looking to gain an unfair advantage. In any case, If I go along with the rule breach, I would have to DQ myself.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
For me the air shot is easy. As I'm marking his card I'd just include the air shot when I tell him what I'm putting down on his card. If he queried - I'd just say 'there was the air shot'.
And as far as 'I'll reload...etc' It is important to know what a players intentions are when he plays a second ball from the tee (or anywhere else in fact) because his score depends upon what his intentions are before he hits it. And that is why specific words must be spoken - one way or the other.
And as far as 'I'll reload...etc' It is important to know what a players intentions are when he plays a second ball from the tee (or anywhere else in fact) because his score depends upon what his intentions are before he hits it. And that is why specific words must be spoken - one way or the other.
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