How real are HANDICAPS???

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Right to start off with ive noticed alot of people are not the golfers there handicaps suggest. My HCP on golfshake is 24.4 which I pressume is calculated on the following 3 rounds:

1) 90 - 43 pts
2) 90 - 41 pts
3) 94 - 41 pts

Would this be my HCP if i played in comps or joined a society or club??? A work freind has told me I would be off 18 if I joined his society based on the points im consistently getting but surely this is wrong??? My aim on Golfshake is 20 or lower this season which should of been achevied already bar some silly mistakes on the green :-(

So is golfshake a very strict HCP system or are alot of golfers HCP's higher than what they are given to make comps fair???

It also concerns me that on a bad day I could score mid 30's easily which surely would not be fair???

Confused :-(
 
'Real' handicaps rarely catch up with our actual performance for a few rounds, so you can perform 8 under your handicap but only get cut a couple of shots for it.

Society handicaps are more severe as the winners usually get a cut based on score, and a cut for being a winner too, in fact the one I have also gives an extra cut for over 40 points.
 
DAVEYBOY said:
Right to start off with ive noticed alot of people are not the golfers there handicaps suggest. My HCP on golfshake is 24.4 which I pressume is calculated on the following 3 rounds:

1) 90 - 43 pts
2) 90 - 41 pts
3) 94 - 41 pts

Would this be my HCP if i played in comps or joined a society or club??? A work freind has told me I would be off 18 if I joined his society based on the points im consistently getting but surely this is wrong??? My aim on Golfshake is 20 or lower this season which should of been achevied already bar some silly mistakes on the green :-(

So is golfshake a very strict HCP system or are alot of golfers HCP's higher than what they are given to make comps fair???

It also concerns me that on a bad day I could score mid 30's easily which surely would not be fair???

Confused :-(
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I don't know how Golfshake does its calc, but I know how CONGU would do it.

Take those three rounds and for each one calculate the adjusted gross score. That is, your gross score adjusted for any holes on which you took worse than a double bogey - e.g. on a par 3 you shoot 6, then that is adjusted to 5.

Once you have your adjusted gross score, deduct the standard scratch score for the course you played. The best of these rounds will be used to calculate your handicap.
 
With Golfshake you are starting from scratch based on scores, no merit cuts etc. A society will cut for good scores and wins. The only "true" handicap you'll get is to join a club and stick the cards in and see what the handicap secretary gives you.

Good luck.
 
What would the experinced golfers on here give me based on my 3 scores above at a guess??? Ive been playing a year and have not really gone into HCP maths yet lol
 
Looking at those rounds, yes, you should be off 18 ish, at a rough guess, may be less.

Yes, a bad round should be way less than 30 points.

That said, I could take a random three rounds in a row from last Christmas that would give me a handicap of 1!
 
murphthemog said:
Looking at those rounds, yes, you should be off 18 ish, at a rough guess, may be less.

Yes, a bad round should be way less than 30 points.

That said, I could take a random three rounds in a row from last Christmas that would give me a handicap of 1!
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This is where im really confused 18 is a massive drop compared to 24 that golfshake is giving me so which is wrong? Yesterday I got 90 - 41 points and 3 putted like a right pratt which is rare as I love putting. I think if I had of putted like I can I could have hit 47 odd points and scored around 85ish, didnt feel like a good round at the time until I worked it out after so didnt put my heart into it :-(
 
If they were handed in as a new handicap then yes they would be lower, but if you had a handicap of 24 then it may not have come down all the way 18.

Plus you may have to factor in CSS too, as golfshake uses only SSS (I hope that what you've been using). Apart from the CSs thing the golfshake method is correct for handicap reductions.

Big thing for some people is that having an actual medal card in your hand is a different feeling to paying bounce games, or even society games.
 
Did you start off on Golfshake with 28, or did you give it 3 cards previously to these for it to work out your initial handicap?

​Edit: Beat me to it BT :)
 
If you are consistently getting over 40 points, your handicapp is wrong. I'd agree that based on them scores you should be looking at about an 18, maybe 17 handicap.

You say a bad day gives you a score in the mid 30's! A bad day for most people would be a sub 30 points score probably, bearing in mind that 36points is effectively playing to your handicap.

The thing to remember is that you are not supposed to play below, or even to, your handicapp all the time. Your handicapp should be what you are striving to shoot on a good day, and break it every now and then. If you are breaking your handicapp consistently then your handicapp is wrong.
 
I have not really scored worse than 95 since buying the gear below and the other scores where with a dunlop set which I can now see why begginers struggle with crap gear and inconsistency. Im getting better most the time I play so shouldI delete the old 100ish scores from the tracker???
 
davey

As canary yellow has stated your respective score of 93 will not count for anything as your given handicap will be awarded on strokes per hole and any holes where you go 2 or more over will incur 2 points and any where you go 1 over will incur one stroke in favour of your handicap.

Your handicap will be worked out by using three cards by the secretary who will also take into consideration the stroke index of each hole before awarding your handicap.
 
Canary_Yellow said:
I don't know how Golfshake does its calc, but I know how CONGU would do it.

Take those three rounds and for each one calculate the adjusted gross score. That is, your gross score adjusted for any holes on which you took worse than a double bogey - e.g. on a par 3 you shoot 6, then that is adjusted to 5.

Once you have your adjusted gross score, deduct the standard scratch score for the course you played. The best of these rounds will be used to calculate your handicap.
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Almost right, it's actually your adjusted NETT score. Or to put it another way, the lowest score that would score you 0 stableford points. For example, a 10 on a par 4 SI 1 hole would be adjusted down to a 7 assuming you have a handicap higher than Scr.
 
You need to compare your scores (adjusted per my previous post) against the SSS (69) rather than the par for the course.

I'd think low 20's, maybe a little less. Impossible to say without the actual scorecard.
 
drive4show said:
Almost right, it's actually your adjusted NETT score. Or to put it another way, the lowest score that would score you 0 stableford points. For example, a 10 on a par 4 SI 1 hole would be adjusted down to a 7 assuming you have a handicap higher than Scr.
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This assumes you already have a handicap though right? Rather than where you are getting your first handicap? I was considering only the latter in my earlier post.

Interesting though, I hadn't realised it was calculated differently for adjusting your handicap.
 
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