Haotong Li penalty

[rulefan]

That's a massive climb down by the R & A and the USGA.

Gosh. Have the R&A/USGA changed the rule?

 

[rulefan]

Its quite clear it was a poorly thought out wording even if the rule was the right idea

How would you word it to prodyce the same results as we eventually got in all four cases?
The ET got their rulings right, the PGA got their first wrong but now corrected.

 

[Colin L]

They already changed it in the statement from 'a' stance to 'the' stance

Which is not a change to the wording of the rule.

When I was studying this rule, I thought how straightforward it was. There is a defined moment after which a caddy standing in a particular place should not be there. His reason for being there didn't have to be established. In the unlikely event that he was there accidentally, it would be obvious (such as his standing there having a chat with a fellow caddie and not paying attention to his player). I didn't think of there being any great problem with identifying when a player starts taking his/her stance - especially with a helpful Interpretation - but in practice there has been something of a problem and we can expect a clarification.

To date what have we had? A couple of rulings upheld by the R&A/USGA, a couple of rulings of a different set of events overturned by the R&A/USGA and consequently some further clarification of something new needed to help players and referees. The sanctity of the game of golf has not been threatened!

Couldn't resist pitching in. Back to the homework now.

 

[clubchamp98]

And anyone else for that matter.

Really if your opponent in match stands there or a pp in a medal.
Is it up to me to ask him to move.?

 

[clubchamp98]

It all boils down to when your stance starts .
A ref can’t really know what’s going on in a players head.
So if a player decides his PSR starts with right foot ,
But is penalised when he puts his left foot in before in his own mind his PSR is commencing that’s wrong!

 

[Twire]

Its quite clear it was a poorly thought out wording even if the rule was the right idea

I don't think many would disagree the intention of the rule (to stop players being lined up) is a positive move. Poorly worded? Yes maybe, but you also have to take into consideration the rules are universal and need to be translated into many different languages, so not quite as easy as wording something for just one. There will always be teething problems with such a major overhaul, but I respect anyone holding there hands up a d admitting they got it wrong.

 

[rulefan]

Really if your opponent in match stands there or a pp in a medal.
Is it up to me to ask him to move.?

Yes
10.2b(i) A player may have his or her line of play pointed out by having his or her caddie or any other person stand on or close to the player’s line of play to show where it is, but that person must move away before the stroke is made.

 

[clubchamp98]

Yes
10.2b(i) A player may have his or her line of play pointed out by having his or her caddie or any other person stand on or close to the player’s line of play to show where it is, but that person must move away before the stroke is made.

So if your opponent has a similar line and decides to walk into your line as you start to take your stance you get a two shot pen.
That dosnt sound right
Not many opponents would show you the line.

 

[rulie]

So if your opponent has a similar line and decides to walk into your line as you start to take your stance you get a two shot pen.
That dosnt sound right
Not many opponents would show you the line.

Nor is it right. Suggest you read Rule 10.1b(1) to (4).

 

[bobmac]

Nor is it right. Suggest you read Rule 10.1b(1) to (4).

What's anchoring the club got to do with it?

 

[clubchamp98]

Nor is it right. Suggest you read Rule 10.1b(1) to (4).

According to post 247 it is.

 

[rulie]

What's anchoring the club got to do with it?

Thanks, corrected it to 10.2b

 

[rulie]

According to post 247 it is.

What does Rule 10.2b say?

 

[rulefan]

So if your opponent has a similar line and decides to walk into your line as you start to take your stance you get a two shot pen.
That dosnt sound right
Not many opponents would show you the line.

Rule 10.2b(4) does not allow a player to have his or her caddie deliberately stand behind him or her when the player begins taking a stance ........
I reckon that 'standing' and 'walking' are not the same thing.

 

[rulie]

Rule 10.2b(4) does not allow a player to have his or her caddie deliberately stand behind him or her when the player begins taking a stance ........
I reckon that 'standing' and 'walking' are not the same thing.

And 10.2b(4) is specific to the caddie (at least I haven't seen anything that says otherwise).

 

[clubchamp98]

Rule 10.2b(4) does not allow a player to have his or her caddie deliberately stand behind him or her when the player begins taking a stance ........
I reckon that 'standing' and 'walking' are not the same thing.

So for arguments sake
A player takes his stance ! His caddie walks past and says.”open”
He’s not standing on his line.

 

[rulie]

So for arguments sake
A player takes his stance ! His caddie walks past and says.”open”
He’s not standing on his line.

What is your ruling on that?

 

[rulefan]

So for arguments sake
A player takes his stance ! His caddie walks past and says.”open”
He’s not standing on his line.

1.2a

 

[clubchamp98]

What is your ruling on that?

Imo he would still be helping line up, just not standing on his line.

 

[rulie]

Imo he would still be helping line up, just not standing on his line.

Breach or no breach?