KenL
Tour Rookie
What’s the name of the slope 106 course please?
Handicap manipulation - how to address
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Well, that does lack detail rather, and suggests more prejudiced charicature, which doesnt add much to the debate either.
bobmac
Major Champion
I agree.
''I have no chance of winning the stapleford on Saturday because of all the low handicap bandits who win every week'' ....said no-one
Colin L
Tour Winner
It answered the question asked.
DickInShorts
Newbie
This may be simplistic - but at the clubs where you all complain that the competitions are won by low/high handicap players- why don’t you have divisions?
These can be set by the committee to be 2 3 4 or more depending on the average number of entries.
Our men have 3 divisions and our senior men 2.
This gives both high and low handicaps equal chances to win against their ‘group’
These can be set by the committee to be 2 3 4 or more depending on the average number of entries.
Our men have 3 divisions and our senior men 2.
This gives both high and low handicaps equal chances to win against their ‘group’
wjemather
Well-known member
You're adding additional conditions that did not exist in your original question.
KenL
Tour Rookie
We have this at mine in the optional sweep, but only one person wins the medal which is for the lowest net score.
bobmac
Major Champion
I was replying to Dunesman's comment...
I thought it was obvious as we were comparing high h/cap and low h/caps chances of winning comps.
AussieKB
Well-known member
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bobmac
Major Champion
Because that would be admitting there isn't a level playing field across the range of h/caps
wjemather
Well-known member
This isn't something new or unknown that was created by WHS. It's a fundamental limitation of all handicap systems - one that was probably less apparent to lower handicappers under UHS due to the significant advantage afforded them in small-medium sized fields.
Implementing divisions is simply about being a competent and knowledgable competition committee that recognises that no handicap system can maintain a satisfactory balance of equity in larger fields.
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Colin L
Tour Winner
Well, I for one would enter it knowing there was scant chance of my winning if there were low handicappers in the field but would never even think of them as bandits never mind call them that. The reality is that a higher handicapper's day in the sun with a remarkably low net score comes seldom if ever. I have had one in in my golfing life and that was over 30 years ago. Net 64, won a club trophy, got 4 strokes knocked off my handicap and took years and years for it to climb back to a realistic level. But there are a lot of more us around than there are low single figure handicappers and so the frequency of exceptional net scores from high handicappers should be greater than their equivalent from the low handicappers.
In practice, the sensible approach is to dish out the prizes by divisions.
bobmac
Major Champion
I know and that is the problem.
There are more chances of someone having that special day.
And if a low h/cap has a special day, the chances are, he/she will walk away with nothing
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
We do have divisions.
But only one player can win the Competition
DickInShorts
Newbie
All our monthly medal winners play a medal final and the winner and runner up from all entries (all division winners) win a trophy and voucher.
For various other competitions there is only one trophy winner but the pro shop sweep (we don’t pay competition entry fees) is paid out on divisions. The ‘twos’ pot is all entries.
Unlike a lot of English clubs we have 3 Mens competitions a week and another for Senior men. The ladies have two and the seniors ladies one.
As a senior gent I can play 4 qualifiers a week in addition to any open competitions- of which there are lots for men , ladies, and seniors as well as pairs and scrambles
AussieKB
Well-known member
Here is another near me that I play on a regular basis, which I love.
Donnybrook Country Club
Par 72
Scratch 70
slope 109
5830 meters (6413 yards)
So if you are 4.2 handicap I would play off a 2 handicap.
Club has had OZ golf out to re rate recently because of a lot of complaints in that the course is harder then the rating of 109, it was raised to this but not my much.
The scratch rating of 70 in my view is the main problem, everyone losing 2 shots, so for me 50% of my handicap and someone on a 20 handicap losing 10%
A lot of theses clubs have noticed a major drop of away players entering there Opens.
But no use complaining to OZ golf as they are our Masters and we are the Serfs.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Our last Stableford competition was won by a 5 handicap scoring 40 points- and won by 4 points.
You prove any argument with the right statistics
You prove any argument with the right statistics
AussieKB
Well-known member
Agree, but how often does a 5 handicapper shoot mid 40's ?????Our last Stableford competition was won by a 5 handicap scoring 40 points- and won by 4 points.
You prove any argument with the right statistics
PaulMdj
Well-known member
Because there isn’t a balanced number of players at each level!
If we have 100 men entering a Ind Handicap Comp, we’ll have approx 20 Golfers playing off 3-9, possibly 5 or 6 below that, so a maximum of 26 Golfers 9 and below.
We have 3 Divisions, upto 9, 10-18, 19 & above.
All Division winners win the same amount.
All 100 have an equal chance of winning, however, there is an increased risk purely based on spread of Handicaps the winner will be in the 10 and above handicap range.
We had Divisions Pre WHS and have them now.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
Likewise, how often does a 5hcpper shoot early 20's? I would suggest probably never, unless its a 9 hole comp.Agree, but how often does a 5 handicapper shoot mid 40's ?????
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