Swango1980
Well-known member
System is perfect in every way. Every single detail has been finely calibrated based on the analysis on millions and millions of scores.
Handicap Committee / Club Secretary
- Thread starter Bamberdele2.0
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Same here, first handicap was 24, was down to 12 6 weeks later. Strived to improve and never once worried I couldn't win,just enjoyed playing
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Good read. My take on this would be that the handicap committee should call the fella in and discuss the situation with him, and anyone else in the same situation, and explain to them why they are going to take such extreme measures. And I might add, that he should be chuffed to bits. If he feels that it is a problem, and in this case it would seem to be, he could argue against the decision and a compromise could be made so that everyone is happy.
A good handicap committee will not do that. Handicaps are not for negotiation, and opening that can of worms must be avoided. So he can listen to their explanation for the change, hopefully understand it, and make his case if he thinks they have made a mistake. But the committee should be able to stand behind their decision or admit an error if one was made, but not back down just to satisfy a member. If still unhappy he can write to EG, who will validate the reasoning of the committee. It isnt a question of being happy, its a question of the handicap being correct and fair to both the member and all other golfers.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Agree with all that although if it gets to the stage of going beyond the club, the county union would be the first contact before the national one.
You hope the handicap Committee have made a fair decision and thus they will be able to fully defend their decision. However, sometimes you can get a rogue handicap secretary who likes to do things their way. You hope they'd have a good handicap Committee around them, but in practice that may not be the case.
County first, yes, that's quite right.
The main thing is not to get into compromising. Unless there is a procedural error, the committee cannot just change their decision because the member has a different opinion to them. If the member can point out a clear mistake, then they must make a correction. If its just a matter of opinion then then they should explain their view, and as the authority, leave it at that. They must stick with their own rather than appease just to avoid conflict.
The main thing is not to get into compromising. Unless there is a procedural error, the committee cannot just change their decision because the member has a different opinion to them. If the member can point out a clear mistake, then they must make a correction. If its just a matter of opinion then then they should explain their view, and as the authority, leave it at that. They must stick with their own rather than appease just to avoid conflict.
Bamberdele2.0
Active member
Not sure about others but I like to be competitive.
If I was playing under a handicap that would restrict me to being anywhere near it then I’d quickly fall out of love with the comps and would only play the general play rounds with my friends. That’s just me.
I’ve never seen a stableford score higher than 45 and the lowest nett score I’ve seen was 61 by a young kid only the other week. Before that it was 64.
Our club seems to be pretty good in this respect. I haven’t been around long enough to paint a big enough picture but for my PP’s situation it almost seems as though the committee have their own rules in place.
wjemather
Well-known member
Not just you. We have seen many players return to playing competitions having previously been handicapped out of them by the failings of the old system which left them hopelessly anchored to past performances. If we, as the handicap committee, took it upon ourselves to unjustifiably reduce handicaps, there is no doubt that progress would be quickly reversed.
It depends what you mean by competitive though. And being uncompetitive will never happen for more than a few rounds at worst. WHS tracks your handicap very responsively, so you will always be competitive or there abouts.
I am always competitive. Every time I play. Even if beaten by 10 shots. But know that given we have 90-120 players for our weekend competitions, I will likely break into the top 3 about once a year, and win once every 3 or 4 years. Which is what happens for the 30 or so times I compete in single each year.
Bamberdele2.0
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Same. But if I’m was playing under a HC where I’m struggling to break even the top 10 on my best day then that would be the story of PP.
His has levelled out slightly but only because he’s had 10 rounds since.
My HC sits at a level where I am competitive so I have no issues whatsoever. Shot 30 stableford points yesterday and I was happy with it as played a below average round
His best day though will only happen about once in a hundred rounds. So he would have to have played a lot of competitions, or a couple of years worth at least, to conclude that one of those has been his best round, yet didnt break into the top 10.
Bamberdele2.0
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Our stablefords / medals normally win with around 42 / nett 67 so if he shot if he shot his best (81) on those days with his deducted HC it wouldn’t even scratch the surface
His best from how many rounds ? Most dont realise how rarely they will shoot their best. And if playing enough, then the hc will have climbed. You cant possibly put in enoiugh cards to decide your best cant compete without the hc rising. The two meet in the middle fairly quickly.
Bamberdele2.0
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his best of said 82 in that stableford was from around 60 comp cards and I would say well over 100 general play rounds. It was his best round of his life. Not likely to repeat this year
