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Roll Up Group Handicaps
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IanM
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I just read through this and there's some funny stuff on here.
If a group of mates/whatever show up at their club and play, what they do is their business.
Club comps are different. Full Rules of Golf, qualifying unless conditions dictate otherwise.
I can see why a Club might choose to designate a formal "roll up/swindle/Seniors/whatever" as a qualifying comp.... equally, members can then choose if they participate.
We've got some Seniors who "do their own thing" ever since whs went live. They've not put in a single official card in. Maybe they should be jailed??
If a group of mates/whatever show up at their club and play, what they do is their business.
Club comps are different. Full Rules of Golf, qualifying unless conditions dictate otherwise.
I can see why a Club might choose to designate a formal "roll up/swindle/Seniors/whatever" as a qualifying comp.... equally, members can then choose if they participate.
We've got some Seniors who "do their own thing" ever since whs went live. They've not put in a single official card in. Maybe they should be jailed??
2blue
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.... an honest H/cap counting game for their 'fiddle' & H/cap
.... I think you mean a 'fiddle-chief' with his own-seat-in the-Bar status says 'it's up to you guys' as we are in a different place to the real world!!
2blue
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Nay... just stuffed!!I just read through this and there's some funny stuff on here.
If a group of mates/whatever show up at their club and play, what they do is their business.
Club comps are different. Full Rules of Golf, qualifying unless conditions dictate otherwise.
I can see why a Club might choose to designate a formal "roll up/swindle/Seniors/whatever" as a qualifying comp.... equally, members can then choose if they participate.
We've got some Seniors who "do their own thing" ever since whs went live. They've not put in a single official card in. Maybe they should be jailed??
IanM
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Embalmed?
But, hey, what harm are they actually doing?
In fact, it's quite the reverse! They are paying subs, they eat and drink in the clubhouse. Their etiquette is excellent, they don't cheat in club comps!
But, but, but,...the rules !Embalmed?
But, hey, what harm are they actually doing?
In fact, it's quite the reverse! They are paying subs, they eat and drink in the clubhouse. Their etiquette is excellent, they don't cheat in club comps!
Do you need them quoted to you again ?
rulefan
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Do I see an implication there?they don't cheat in club comps!
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Which rule would that be? A small group of mates just playing golf. If they paid a green fee, would it be different?
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No, just a jokey comment. Ordinary Golf is fun. Some folk don't even know the rules or keep score.
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Just showed this thread to my wife, a Lady Member up the road.
She laughed her head off!!
The ladies have a comp on the weekend, a comp on Tuesday, Thursday is a "roll up" and is NEVER qualifying. Although it's run as a formal comp , but without booked times.
She doesn't seem too worried about a knock on the door from the County Union "It's my practice round for the weekend," she says. "I'm putting in two comp cards a week, I think that's plenty!"
She also thinks this is the norm for the Ladies Sections in this part of Wales.
I don't this news of this will detract from the PGA v LIV spat.
She laughed her head off!!
The ladies have a comp on the weekend, a comp on Tuesday, Thursday is a "roll up" and is NEVER qualifying. Although it's run as a formal comp , but without booked times.
She doesn't seem too worried about a knock on the door from the County Union
"It's my practice round for the weekend," she says. "I'm putting in two comp cards a week, I think that's plenty!"She also thinks this is the norm for the Ladies Sections in this part of Wales.
I don't this news of this will detract from the PGA v LIV spat.
It depends. Its in rule 12.4.iiid. (why oh why oh why do people not read the rules and follow them ?) :Which rule would that be? A small group of mates just playing golf. If they paid a green fee, would it be different?
If the greenfee is taken by the pro, then it is counting, if by the assistant you dont have to put the card it.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Our rollup is organised with reserved tee times. It is played very competitively in a field of usually 30-40 with the only concession to fun/social golf being gimmes. The question is then…When a player knocks it round in well under his WHS handicap - whether he wins anything or not - should that round be on his WHS record - and if not and the next week or week after he does the same…? By not submitting rollup cards is he manipulating his handicap?
nickjdavis
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Gonna have to change my planned outfit for tomorrow!!!
D-S
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If he is consistently winning whilst playing in this format, even with gimmes, this would be powerful evidence in a handicap review and his peers could request this.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Not necessarily winning - but regularly playing to or under his WHS handicap. And how is our handicap convenir going to have the evidence for a cut. Yes our records but how valid are his scores? We know .. the club won’t
D-S
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It’s peer review, if you or your group believe it is not looking right, report your concerns to the HC. They can gather evidence from their records, the WHS portal and most importantly ask your group. They can assess the validity of the scores by talking to the group.
This is exactly what peer review, an important part of this and any other system, is.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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All true - but any concerns over being a clipe or risking fall out with a friend because he’s scoring well - even if not winning - would never arise if cards were submitted to the club. We already complete and submit cards - just not to the club…so as its not a ‘card in hand’ issue it can only be perception…and perception is not real and so can change.
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Do you remember way back when, on a Society Day or similar if you beat your handicap, you "put the card in" for review. Some clubs would cut you, some never did. All very unscientific, but the intention and behaviour was going in the right direction.
I like the idea of GP Cards only ever counting if reducing your handicap. Won't stop the vanity handicap crew, but the sombrero wearers would have one tool removed.
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This wasn't universal (or perhaps even widespread) practice.Do you remember way back when, on a Society Day or similar if you beat your handicap, you "put the card in" for review. Some clubs would cut you, some never did. All very unscientific, but the intention and behaviour was going in the right direction.
The effect would be nothing but vanity handicaps for anyone submitting GP scores.I like the idea of GP Cards only ever counting if reducing your handicap. Won't stop the vanity handicap crew, but the sombrero wearers would have one tool removed.
