JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
I agree.
...now wipe those tears!
Handicap allowance in matchplay
- Thread starter Birdman
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I agree.
...now wipe those tears!
funkyfred
Challenge Tour Pro
Region 3.
I understand your arguement, but what happens when you have to give more than 7 shots. I'm a 25h/c you have got to give me 14 shots, but where? Would it be from 12 to 18 and then 1 to 7, I dont know.
I understand your arguement, but what happens when you have to give more than 7 shots. I'm a 25h/c you have got to give me 14 shots, but where? Would it be from 12 to 18 and then 1 to 7, I dont know.
Leftie
Tour Winner
We had a new format matchplay KO comp this year open to men and women.
The idea was that it was a played off full h/cap and on each hole the better nett score won the hole. This way, both players effectively get all their shots at the right places and the ladies could join in as well playing off their card.
Seemed a good format to me
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
There's only 1 way to play matchplay properly and that's to play someone with exactly the same h/cap as you have and whip 'em
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Yep, 12 to 18 then 1 to 7, as 8 to 11 are where we should both make bogey.
On SI18 if it really is 18 because it's easy, I should make par more often than not, but you're expected to average bogey on it. Wouldn't it be fairer if you got a shot there?
I don't suppose it makes a lot of difference in the long run, I just thought it was a viable alternative.
If I play a 10hc I get a shot at the (in theory) most difficult hole. The hole both of us are least likely to make par on.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Are you saying you should in fact get your shot on the SI 11 hole?
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Just the thoughts of a meandering mind.
If the game panned out 'exactly' to handicap, SI 11 is where I would score 1 more than him, so why not receive my shot there instead of the hole where we're both as likely to make bogey.
Like I said, just a rambling thought, but I like the sound of it.
Robobum
Money List Winner
There's only 1 way to play matchplay properly and that's to play someone scratch, off the stick
I agree
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
I like the way your mind rambles AND I agree with what you are saying, you should get your shot on the SI 11 hole...
however... (and this is my rambling mind)
If you get your shot on the 11th then you are technically getting your shot on an 'easier' hole which takes away the little advantage that a low h/capper would need to 'even things out a little'. eg: If I say I'm 5 shots better than you I wouldn't then expect to give you 5 shots on the 5 easiest holes would I?
So.... therefore you need to even it out a bit first, and this is the part where the whole 'it's easier for a high h/capper to shoot 10 under their h/cap than it is a low h/capper to do likewise' part comes into it...
firstly everyone gets 3/4 handicaps, this levels out the possibility of banditry.... THEN you let the high h/capper have his remaining shots on the holes where they are actually due!!
Example... a 10 h/capper plays a guy off 20.
Both are off 3/4 so that's now 8h/cap VS 15h/cap, and the 15/hcap will get his extra shots on SI 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 & 15 holes. Bingo! Everyone is happy.
I'd be MORE THAN HAPPY to play that format in matchplay every time I go out. I wouldn't feel like I will get stitched by the higher h/capper having one of those 'great days' but also feel like I'd be giving him shots where he technically 'needs' them and not just on the SI 1-7 holes.
I'll call it the 'JUSTONE' format in case anyone want to play it
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Of course all this depends on the Stroke Index depicting difficulty of the hole - which according to the guidelines it shouldn't. They should be spread around so shots are given throughout the match and not in "lumps"
Unfortunately a lot of courses do allocate SI in order of difficulty but SI 1 shouldn't necessarily be the hardest hole and 18 shouldn't necessarily be the easiest.
Unfortunately a lot of courses do allocate SI in order of difficulty but SI 1 shouldn't necessarily be the hardest hole and 18 shouldn't necessarily be the easiest.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Well you can't do much more than allocate the shots where the card says you should get them, regardless of how the particular course allocates their stroke indexes.
It would be quite funny (maybe even an excellent idea) if you said to someone...
"Off 3/4 handicaps you get 7 shots on me, which holes would you like them?"
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Well you can't do much more than allocate the shots where the card says you should get them, regardless of how the particular course allocates their stroke indexes.
It would be quite funny (maybe even an excellent idea) if you said to someone...
"Off 3/4 handicaps you get 7 shots on me, which holes would you like them?"
I quite like the sound of that, to even out the disadvantage of losing 1/4 of your handicap?
We're onto something.. Bob, how do you file a patent?
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
"Off 3/4 handicaps you get 7 shots on me, which holes would you like them?"
Stroke indexes 1-3 and the four par 5's (if none of them fit into the aformentioned criteria) please
I'd love that.
I'd beat you every time
viscount17
Money List Winner
I never did get the 3/4 argument, it always favoured the lower handicap. handicaps are set 'against the course', so have to be used/seen that way.
A(2) v B(18), diff = 16, so B plays off 12. He has given up 6 shots to the course, A has given 2. no wonder low 'cappers liked it!
should be simple if both play off their full handicap - forget the 'you get 7 strokes' nonsense, A gets his 7, B gets his 14.
of course it could be interesting if you can allocate where you take the shots - before the round. An 18 has to take 1 per hole; 17 and below can allocate theirs at not more than a shot a hole, and 19 and above can allocate their additional shots also at not more than a shot a hole.
A(2) v B(18), diff = 16, so B plays off 12. He has given up 6 shots to the course, A has given 2. no wonder low 'cappers liked it!
should be simple if both play off their full handicap - forget the 'you get 7 strokes' nonsense, A gets his 7, B gets his 14.
of course it could be interesting if you can allocate where you take the shots - before the round. An 18 has to take 1 per hole; 17 and below can allocate theirs at not more than a shot a hole, and 19 and above can allocate their additional shots also at not more than a shot a hole.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
"Off 3/4 handicaps you get 7 shots on me, which holes would you like them?"
Stroke indexes 1-3 and the four par 5's (if none of them fit into the aformentioned criteria) please
I'd love that.
I'd beat you every time
You'd be better off taking your shots on the par 3's as you rarely hit them!
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
You'd be better off taking your shots on the par 3's as you rarely hit them!
I parred one yesterday!!
The one where you dropped your lipstick
Forget the previous 4 though. We wont talk about them
