Football European super league.

[Deleted member 18588]

What he suggests and what actually happens it an altogether different story

Other sports have closed shops in regards certainly franchises so not sure where this "sports integrity test" comes from - the governing bodies have said lots of words over the decades yet it's just been words with actions meaning a damn sight more.

What they need to grow the game - money

A competition that will provide a damn sight lot of money - a European Super League.

The "sport" is money driven now - and it's not going change and in fact will get worse.

None of that money is likely to benefit the authorities or be used for growing the game.

After all you only have to look at the wonderful example that is the Premier League. It is awash with money yet fewer people are playing the game at grassroots level, lower league clubs are barely staying afloat and parks (and other) pitches are disappearing.

The PL merely pays lip service to its "duty" to the game at large whilst the billions it generates are used to pay the inflated wages of players, many of whom have achieved nothing, and their agents' fees.

So yes this so called Super League may well come to pass but please do not insult our intelligence by suggesting that the money generated will be of benefit to football.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

How do you know it will be sanctioned?

The new President of FIFA has already suggested that, on his watch, there will be a different attitude towards the balance between sporting integrity and the demands of the money-men.

Reading what little has come out so far the man from Relevent Sports has spoken only about financial advantages to the participating clubs.

How does that benefit either FIFA or UEFA?

And as a "closed shop" it would rather fail the sporting integrity test or both bodies' stated aims of broadening participation rather than just increasing TV audiences.

He doesn't and to be fair no-one does and I personally don't think it would be which would lead to other implications including international bans where precedents exist not only in football but in other sports. I really don't get all this talk of "franchises" and there is no way that clubs will be run that way or merged to form a London franchise, a Madrid, Berlin, North West England etc. Clubs will always maintain their own integrity and be run indvidually as a business.

Personally I have no doubt this super league will keep emerging but I think there will be changes in the CL to head this off and I am certain Fifa and Uefa will do a lot more to control their product, integrity and the demands of those with the cash

 

[Deleted member 15344]

None of that money is likely to benefit the authorities or be used for growing the game.

After all you only have to look at the wonderful example that is the Premier League. It is awash with money yet fewer people are playing the game at grassroots level, lower league clubs are barely staying afloat and parks (and other) pitches are disappearing.

The PL merely pays lip service to its "duty" to the game at large whilst the billions it generates are used to pay the inflated wages of players, many of whom have achieved nothing, and their agents' fees.

So yes this so called Super League may well come to pass but please do not insult our intelligence by suggesting that the money generated will be of benefit to football.

When did i suggest it would be to the benefit of the game ?

UEFA get a lot of money from the CL - that money comes from the fact the big clubs bring in the sponsership and the big telly deals etc etc - remove the big clubs and that money goes with them so UEFA's funds for growing football is dramatically reduce - so to ensure they get funds from a Super League then they will be involved in some way and they will sanction it IMO

The perfect example of a European League working is the Premier League - the Premier League was the first stage - the next stage is a European League.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

When did i suggest it would be to the benefit of the game ?

UEFA get a lot of money from the CL - that money comes from the fact the big clubs bring in the sponsership and the big telly deals etc etc - remove the big clubs and that money goes with them so UEFA's funds for growing football is dramatically reduce - so to ensure they get funds from a Super League then they will be involved in some way and they will sanction it IMO

The perfect example of a European League working is the Premier League - the Premier League was the first stage - the next stage is a European League.

Well in several posts you referred to "growing the game" so presumably you believe this development would help in funding that growth.

This despite the fact Charlie Stillitano seems to think that the objective is to provide the bigger clubs with more money that, apparently "they deserve".

In what way is that going to help grow the game.

 

[sawtooth]

just read that Arsenal have said well " stick it up your jacksy" and good on them.

Too right. :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well in several posts you referred to "growing the game" so presumably you believe this development would help in funding that growth.

This despite the fact Charlie Stillitano seems to think that the objective is to provide the bigger clubs with more money that, apparently "they deserve".

In what way is that going to help grow the game.

My one statement about "growing the game"

Was in regards that if UEFA want to grow the game they need money to do that and a European League that they are part of could provide them a lot of money

But the clubs leaving CL and them passing some sort of "sanctions" which I'm pretty sure they wouldn't anyway wouldn't help UEFA in anyway.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Too right. :thup:

Yet there CEO was seen at the meeting and was "fully involved"

If it happens Arsenal would be straight into it and certainly wouldn't tell them " stick it "

 

[Deleted member 18588]

My one statement about "growing the game"

Was in regards that if UEFA want to grow the game they need money to do that and a European League that they are part of could provide them a lot of money

But the clubs leaving CL and them passing some sort of "sanctions" which I'm pretty sure they wouldn't anyway wouldn't help UEFA in anyway.

Slight backtracking by the promoters or maybe misinterpretation by the media.

Mr. Stillitano is apparently proposing a change to the CL rather than a new Super League.

Of course the change involves money and its distribution, nothing to do with football. Quelle surprise!

As has been shown in the past UEFA do not necessarily see the interests of the so called "big clubs" coinciding with theirs.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Slight backtracking by the promoters or maybe misinterpretation by the media.

Mr. Stillitano is apparently proposing a change to the CL rather than a new Super League.

Of course the change involves money and its distribution, nothing to do with football. Quelle surprise!

As has been shown in the past UEFA do not necessarily see the interests of the so called "big clubs" coinciding with theirs.

Yet UEFA changed the CL at the interests of the Big Clubs and will attempt to deflect any move of a League by making more changes to the CL to satisfy the big clubs - they know that the big club are crucial to the success of their clubs - so not sure what past you are referring to ?

And of course it's all about money - everyone knows it's all about money and everything that happens now in the sport will be based around money - that's not a new revelation

 

[Duckster]

The premier league was nowhere near as drastic a change as some are thinking. It was simply a tidy up and re-brand of an existing entity, granted this gave it a larger voice.

However it kept the promotion and relegation aspect. How would that work in ESL? If it were a closed shop, then there would be no way UEFA would sanction it as the member FA's would have no reason to sanction it as they effectively lose their best teams as I cant see how you could run a full league and still have time to also play domestically. Would the Prem League let its top teams go, or La Liga etc..? Would they hell as like.

Then the nitty gritty of who joins. How many teams in total. How many from which countries.

I think the current Champs League has a decent format and I cant see that changing for while.

Or at least until FIFA disbands.

 

[sawtooth]

Yet there CEO was seen at the meeting and was "fully involved"

If it happens Arsenal would be straight into it and certainly wouldn't tell them " stick it "

Yes but attending a meeting and being involved is one thing, supporting a new breakaway league is another.

It wont happen unless they get everyone to buy into it.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Yet UEFA changed the CL at the interests of the Big Clubs and will attempt to deflect any move of a League by making more changes to the CL to satisfy the big clubs - they know that the big club are crucial to the success of their clubs - so not sure what past you are referring to ?

And of course it's all about money - everyone knows it's all about money and everything that happens now in the sport will be based around money - that's not a new revelation

In which case why should FIFA or UEFA be bothered.

The extra money does not benefit them and the current set up generates nothing for the former whose income is very largely derived from the World Cup.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In which case why should FIFA or UEFA be bothered.

The extra money does not benefit them and the current set up generates nothing for the former whose income is very largely derived from the World Cup.

Sorry what do you mean a both FIFA being bothered ?

Both Federations make a lot of money from football

 

[Qwerty]

Surely it would never be a closed shop as where would that leave the teams that didn't make it.. Within 5 years Liverpool would be worth about as much as Tranmere.

If promotion/ Relegation was included though as it should be..How would they work it with several countries/European Leagues involved?

I can't visualise a model that would work fairly. But then again will fair even be considered when the new breed of armchair fans will be glued to their TVs 7 nights a week on the New ESL PPV Channel popping tokens into the meter.

We might even see a few Name Changes for the Franchises.

Barcelona Buccaneers
Unreal Madrid Pirates
Manchester City Slickers.

It'll be a slippery slope.. Are we already on it?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Sorry what do you mean a both FIFA being bothered ?

Both Federations make a lot of money from football

What does FIFA get from the CL?

As I said their income arise from the ticket sales, sponsorship and TV rights of the World Cup, not the Champions' League.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Surely it would never be a closed shop as where would that leave the teams that didn't make it.. Within 5 years Liverpool would be worth about as much as Tranmere.

If promotion/ Relegation was included though as it should be..How would they work it with several countries/European Leagues involved?

I can't visualise a model that would work fairly. But then again will fair even be considered when the new breed of armchair fans will be glued to their TVs 7 nights a week on the New ESL PPV Channel popping tokens into the meter.

We might even see a few Name Changes for the Franchises.

Barcelona Buccaneers
Unreal Madrid Pirates
Manchester City Slickers.

It'll be a slippery slope.. Are we already on it?

I think they have been on the slippery slope for a while now and it's only getting worse

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What does FIFA get from the CL?

As I said their income arise from the ticket sales, sponsorship and TV rights of the World Cup, not the Champions' League.

Sorry again I'm not sure where you are going here. I know FIFA doesn't get anything from CL - no one has said they do ?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Sorry again I'm not sure where you are going here. I know FIFA doesn't get anything from CL - no one has said they do ?

Are you deliberately obtuse.

You consistently claim that this so called Super League would be a global money spinner and that both UEFA & FIFA would welcome that.

Yet the intention would appear to be for that money to benefit the participating clubs. So why would FIFA or UEFA welcome that?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are you deliberately obtuse.

You consistently claim that this so called Super League would be a global money spinner and that both UEFA & FIFA would welcome that.

Yet the intention would appear to be for that money to benefit the participating clubs. So why would FIFA or UEFA welcome that?

A European Super League would IMO increase the exposure of the game all over the world - with that increased exposure the governing bodies will be able to jump on the marketing and ensure that any tournaments they host would be fully packed out and massively market it and gain further sponsership.

All the best players playing with and against each other at club and then for their country - it's a marketing dream.

IF it happened then I believe the governing bodies would sanction it because they themselves would be able to use the increased exposure of the game around the world and gain their own extra income

Yes a European League globally would enhance the finances of the clubs but it's not exactly rocket science for the governing bodies to jump on it to ensure they get slices of pies.

They wouldn't ban players because they need those players to be playing in their tournaments

The thirst from people all over the world to watch the best players is something that can be utilised to the max to ensure maximum income for all. Basic marketing.

 

[chrisd]

Crystal Palace v Barcelona. It does have a certain ring to it! :lol: