Football Cheats

[need_my_wedge]

Was going to post this in the cheats thread in the lounge, but thought it probably veered away from the topic, hence dropping it here.

Reading the cheats thread, there seems to be a perception that people caught cheating either should leave the club or are drummed out in disgrace, never to be heard of again. Why does the same not happen in football? Is about time we started doing that in football too, all the fake divers and falling over faking being hit in the face etc. Should be named, shamed and kicked out of the game? It's a disgrace and as much cheating as the incidents causing cheating golfers to be ostracised from golf clubs.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So someone deliberately handballs to stop a goal getting scored - cheating and kicked out of the game ?

How do you prove someone deliberately dived ?
UEFA charged Eduardo once for diving - it was thrown out because they couldn't prove it

Footballers have been doing it for decades and have no shame - no club is going to kick out someone for diving or play acting

 

[Grogger]

I don't think someone should really lose their job for diving.

 

[super hans]

Claiming for a throw-in when you know it came off your team mate last is cheating - the list is endless.....

Cheating is part of the game in football nowadays unfortunately - its endemic and doesn't look likely to be rooted out

Either accept it or watch/play a different sport...simple as...

 

[guest100718]

Additional yellow card for every role across the pitch after a dive.

Alves would never play again.

 

[need_my_wedge]

I was just thinking about how we pretty much self regulate ourselves in golf. We give ourselves penalty shots when we break the rules, and those that don't get ostracised at the club if caught. It's a shame that footballers aren't the same. With regards to fake divers, I'm talking about the ones you can clearly see are dives, when the player hasn't been touched yet goes down and gets a free kick or penalty - often the ones where they produce multiple roles in agony, before jumping up two seconds later to take run on the free kick and play like nothing happened.. I find interesting that we are fairly harsh on golfing cheats, yet not so worried about football cheats, where it is often more blatant.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

I don't think someone should really lose their job for diving.

I don't know - Tom Daley would be a start and some of the Z-list celebrities on that ITV reality show could go too ....

 

[ColchesterFC]

You only have to look at the football thread to see the problem. Benteke and Payet have both been accused of diving recently but on that thread there has been a split between those saying there was contact and therefore it's a foul and those saying it was a dive.

 

[Snelly]

Football is broken.

It is a negative influence on British culture.

I cannot abide it. I watched some of the Barcelona match last night and the Arsenal player's dive was absolutely pathetic but then to hear TV pundits act as apologists for it was even worse.

The beautiful game? You must be joking.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Whilst I agree with the sentiments of the OP, have a listen to Brian Moore when he's inputting on a game and talkiing about a scrum. Most professional sports have some that will always sail close to the line, even over it.
I remeber a couple of years ago attaending a property in Fulham, and their older son had just gone to Italy to study. He had played for his college/university here, and joined the Italian university team when he got there. They said that at the end of each training session they ALL did 20-30 minutes "simulation" practise, and this team was doing what EVERY other team was doing.
Sadly diving and acting in football will never be stopped or go away.

 

[garyinderry]

Football is broken.

It is a negative influence on British culture.

I cannot abide it. I watched some of the Barcelona match last night and the Arsenal player's dive was absolutely pathetic but then to hear TV pundits act as apologists for it was even worse.

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Agreed. Embarrassed Arsenal fan here. Iwobi got sight of goal and panicked. If he meant to trip himself I am not sure but he was then claiming for a penalty which was wrong. You know if you have tripped up yourself or you have taken down.

He should have been covering his face with embarrassment, not arms outstretched looking for a freebie.

Happy to use this thread as a place to call out divers and cheats.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Cheating or pushing the boundaries? imo every sport has people who cross the line and would say there is no sport were Players/officials/Coaches etc don't try to seek an advantage.

Professional Football has been totally ruined as a sport and is the easy target, but like I say there is no innocent truly clean sports left.

 

[TheDiablo]

Cheaters should be kicked out of the game?! That's extreme!

What's your suggestion for a good old fashioned, 2 footed challenge from behind - 'Man then Ball' that would have been allowed 20 years ago? Going on your punishment scale they should receive more time than Adam Johnson. But somehow most people think that a potential career ending challenge is less 'cheating' than a dive, which is worrying.

Personally, if you can prove if was a dive, and there are occasions where you can 100% say it was (unlike the Benteke and Payet examples where as slight contact was made it becomes an opinion) then I would go for a 1 game ban + fine. Next offence, 2 games, double fine then 3 etc. People might do it once, but probably not again.

 

[Region3]

I used to love football. Played twice a week and watched everything I could, but got sick of the cheating/diving/whatever probably the best part of around 20 years ago.

I've recently started watching again after getting caught up in the story of my home town's incredible season.

I think the only way to watch (for me at least) without screaming at the TV and hating it again is to start thinking like they do in basketball, where 'drawing a foul' is a skill and something to be accepted.

The ones that fall over without being touched - sometimes with the challenge a yard away - I have no time for and should be booked at the very least, but going down to bring the contact to the referee's attention, or going for a gap that's never going to be there I've accepted I have to live with if I'm to enjoy watching football again.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Perhaps if the professional players who commit crimes or act highly distastfully in public were kicked out of the game, the general public might be a little more forgiving of those who seek to gain any advantage they can on the pitch. Headlines colour the general publics view like nothing else.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Perhaps if the professional players who commit crimes or act highly distastfully in public were kicked out of the game, the general public might be a little more forgiving of those who seek to gain any advantage they can on the pitch. Headlines colour the general publics view like nothing else.

Just so long as that standard is maintained across all sports:thup:

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Just so long as that standard is maintained across all sports:thup:

Of course.

 

[Break90]

I used to follow my team (Spurs) home and away for years, and England all over Europe too.

IMO, and as someone posted earlier, the game is completely broken, and simulation is now part of the game. You either stop watching the game completely, or you accept that in every game there will be some level of cheating, simulation, play-acting, lying etc.

The fact that the game is now not a game, but a very big business, with astronomical amounts of money involved lends itself to behaviour (both on and off the field) by clubs and players that would in any other area of life be condemned and vilified.

However there's very little point in moaning about it, as whatever you say it will never make a jot of difference. With such large rewards on the line for players, clubs etc, they will seek any and every opportunity to gain an advantage.

Compare this to golf where players at all levels (in my experience and of course there will be exceptions at every club) will declare penalties on themselves, and it's an oranges and apples situation. Yes we all know of someone at our club suspected of cheating or being outed as a cheat, but I would wager that the vast, vast majority of golfers play by the rules.

Football - either watch it, or don't watch it. But moaning about it will have no effect whatsoever.

Incidentally, I stopped going to football 10 years ago, still watch Spurs on the box and England in tournaments if I'm not playing golf or otherwise busy. Every time I watch I'm reminded by the diving, lying, cheating (by both Spurs and opposition players) etc why I spend my time and money doing other things nowadays.

Rant over

 

[williamalex1]

When a player is injured and has to leave the field because a bad tackle [ where the offender gets a yellow card ] then the offender should stay of the park until the injured player is fit to return.

Just a thought :mmm:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I used to follow my team (Spurs) home and away for years, and England all over Europe too.

IMO, and as someone posted earlier, the game is completely broken, and simulation is now part of the game. You either stop watching the game completely, or you accept that in every game there will be some level of cheating, simulation, play-acting, lying etc.

The fact that the game is now not a game, but a very big business, with astronomical amounts of money involved lends itself to behaviour (both on and off the field) by clubs and players that would in any other area of life be condemned and vilified.

However there's very little point in moaning about it, as whatever you say it will never make a jot of difference. With such large rewards on the line for players, clubs etc, they will seek any and every opportunity to gain an advantage.

Compare this to golf where players at all levels (in my experience and of course there will be exceptions at every club) will declare penalties on themselves, and it's an oranges and apples situation. Yes we all know of someone at our club suspected of cheating or being outed as a cheat, but I would wager that the vast, vast majority of golfers play by the rules.

Football - either watch it, or don't watch it. But moaning about it will have no effect whatsoever.

Incidentally, I stopped going to football 10 years ago, still watch Spurs on the box and England in tournaments if I'm not playing golf or otherwise busy. Every time I watch I'm reminded by the diving, lying, cheating (by both Spurs and opposition players) etc why I spend my time and money doing other things nowadays.

Rant over

Excellent post. Its broken and forever will remain such. If you want to see how it should be you need to catch those Big Match repeats from the 70's and early 80's when no quarter asked or given in a challenge and players got up and got on with it.