Sexuality In Sport

[Fader]

Great article by Graeme le Saux telling how he was treated by certain fellow players, which he names, after he was wrongly accused of being gay.


http://reflectionsasia.wordpress.co...-saux-how-gay-slurs-almost-wrecked-my-career/

Anyone who thinks it will be any different these days is sadly wrong, football and I dare say all male dominated sports will always have a problem with homophobia and as the article proves its not just from the terracing and stands that the prejudices come.

Thanks for posting that, have just read right through and found it a thoroughly interesting read and not at all surprised by the Paul Ince comments.

No! The problem is that these people seem to be compelled to announce their sexuality to the world via the media. You don't get straight people broadcasting to the nation at the top of their voice that they prefer members of the opposite sex so why is it that gay people feel the need to tell everyone about their sexual preferences. I've narrowed it down to two possibilities; either they are seeking publicity or it's some strange form of perverse exhibitionism.

Or is it that in this instance there has never been a openly gay NFL player as it is seen in the states as a taboo in professional sport, so he is doing this openly so that nobody then has the right to pry further when he is spotted out with a man, leaving himself open to all sorts of gossip and he just wants to be accepted for who he is and not who the stereotype should be

 

[JustOne]

I don't really care what other people choose to do with their genitals.

It's mine that count.



I don't really care who's company other people prefer.

It's who's company I am in that counts.

 

[Papas1982]

I don't really care what other people choose to do with their genitals.

It's mine that count.



I don't really care who's company other people prefer.

It's who's company I am in that counts.

Whilst I agree that it shouldn't make a difference. I still think it will be awkward. I bet there are currently lots of nfl stars sayings it's great for the game, whilst secretly hoping he's not in their draft. As an aside, if sharing a locker room with someone's who's orientation is to find your sex be that gay or lesbian is ok. Why are all locker rooms split male/female? Surely if in today's day and age, men woman are expected to share lockers with men woman that could I theory find them attractive, why can't they share the same lockers?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No! The problem is that these people seem to be compelled to announce their sexuality to the world via the media. You don't get straight people broadcasting to the nation at the top of their voice that they prefer members of the opposite sex so why is it that gay people feel the need to tell everyone about their sexual preferences. I've narrowed it down to two possibilities; either they are seeking publicity or it's some strange form of perverse exhibitionism.

You have dropped your club

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Whilst I agree that it shouldn't make a difference. I still think it will be awkward. I bet there are currently lots of nfl stars sayings it's great for the game, whilst secretly hoping he's not in their draft. As an aside, if sharing a locker room with someone's who's orientation is to find your sex be that gay or lesbian is ok. Why are all locker rooms split male/female? Surely if in today's day and age, men woman are expected to share lockers with men woman that could I theory find them attractive, why can't they share the same lockers?

Some places do have shared locker rooms and shared showers.

But ladies do like privacy - nothing to do with anything sexual at all.

We had a openly gay guy in our hockey team - no issues with him what so ever and he also didnt feel uncomfortable.

Until peoples choices are fully accepted then these issues will always happen

 

[Papas1982]

Some places do have shared locker rooms and shared showers.

But ladies do like privacy - nothing to do with anything sexual at all.

We had a openly gay guy in our hockey team - no issues with him what so ever and he also didnt feel uncomfortable.

Until peoples choices are fully accepted then these issues will always happen

Ive worked in quite a few sport complexes and make female lockers are pretty same layout re individual changing room layout. So basically women prefer privacy re men who may find them attractive, surely the same right should be offered to starlight men. Surely we're either all just humans and therefor sexual orientation is irrelevant, or we should all have same choice to privacy without being branded homosexual?

 

[cookelad]

Have been approached by a couple of gay men a few years back (check out my ego) and both times just told them that I wasn't gay and that was it, they didn't take it personally - certainly not as personally as I've taken female rejection over the years - and guess what we were still able to talk to each other as human beings!

At the end of the day what goes on between 2 (or more if that's what floats your boat) consenting adults behind closed doors is nobody else's business

 

[FairwayDodger]

Ive worked in quite a few sport complexes and make female lockers are pretty same layout re individual changing room layout. So basically women prefer privacy re men who may find them attractive, surely the same right should be offered to starlight men. Surely we're either all just humans and therefor sexual orientation is irrelevant, or we should all have same choice to privacy without being branded homosexual?

It is.... they don't have to share with straight women who might find them attractive......?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ive worked in quite a few sport complexes and make female lockers are pretty same layout re individual changing room layout. So basically women prefer privacy re men who may find them attractive, surely the same right should be offered to starlight men. Surely we're either all just humans and therefor sexual orientation is irrelevant, or we should all have same choice to privacy without being branded homosexual?

Would you like them to create gay changing rooms

Females are normally shy people - they like there privacy

It's nothing to do with any sexual orientation but historically gentleman have let ladies have their privacy

Men aren't generally as shy - they don't mind getting changed and showered in front of men regardless of any sexuality

If a man wants privacy then he finds a way

 

[Papas1982]

Would you like them to create gay changing rooms

Females are normally shy people - they like there privacy

It's nothing to do with any sexual orientation but historically gentleman have let ladies have their privacy

Men aren't generally as shy - they don't mind getting changed and showered in front of men regardless of any sexuality

If a man wants privacy then he finds a way[/QUOTE

we obviously know different woman then. As I know many just as brazen as most men. The point I'm making is that woman happily change in front of other women, just as men do.

Historically gay gay people have been persecuted, but that's now being called to change (rightly so).

I agree re fully that a persons sexuality should have no bearing on their treatment. I just think that at the sametime, people's opinion on whether they should have to use same facilities should be respected. I expect most men that wouldn't want to change in front of gay men, aren't expecting to be hit on, but still feel uncomfortable, much they same as not all woman would be hit on if using same changing rooms. But they still feel uncomfortable so are respected?

 

[Tashyboy]

Whilst I agree that it shouldn't make a difference. I still think it will be awkward. I bet there are currently lots of nfl stars sayings it's great for the game, whilst secretly hoping he's not in their draft. As an aside, if sharing a locker room with someone's who's orientation is to find your sex be that gay or lesbian is ok. Why are all locker rooms split male/female? Surely if in today's day and age, men woman are expected to share lockers with men woman that could I theory find them attractive, why can't they share the same lockers?

Papas to an extent yes I agree with you that it should not make a difference but what has not been said up to yet is that this NFL player in question is the mutts mutts, the gators Tatars, he does his business in the trenches and does it well, he batters quarterbacks, he was voted the best defensive end in the hardest leagues in the college football. He was voted players player in his team he is no 1 in his field and in a business where the greenback is god and winning is everything he will be hot property when it comes to draft picks. So much so I have a feeling his sexual preferences will over shadow the no1 draft pick or heisman trophy winner which is a shame.

having said all that he is someone who you would want on your team and not playing against you. In his changing room he will get some stick but when he gets his first big hit in you wait and see the support he gets from his team mates and fans. Like wise he will get some stick in the line of scrimmage but the support he will get from his team mates may well spur them on.

hope to god he signs for the patriots.

 

[Papas1982]

Papas to an extent yes I agree with you that it should not make a difference but what has not been said up to yet is that this NFL player in question is the mutts mutts, the gators Tatars, he does his business in the trenches and does it well, he batters quarterbacks, he was voted the best defensive end in the hardest leagues in the college football. He was voted players player in his team he is no 1 in his field and in a business where the greenback is god and winning is everything he will be hot property when it comes to draft picks. So much so I have a feeling his sexual preferences will over shadow the no1 draft pick or heisman trophy winner which is a shame.

having said all that he is someone who you would want on your team and not playing against you. In his changing room he will get some stick but when he gets his first big hit in you wait and see the support he gets from his team mates and fans. Like wise he will get some stick in the line of scrimmage but the support he will get from his team mates may well spur them on.

hope to god he signs for the patriots.

Not gonna profess to be a massive nfl fan, watch it occasionally whilst on nights. But the reports I read, said he would be 7th pick? Maybe I've misread. Him coming out, can only be a good thing. And hopefully more will follow. I just wonder, if people that are hid level profile wise still will feel the need to hide. Using footy as an example, if Ronaldo came out. Everybody would still sign him as he's world class, if joe blogs of Doncaster did, would he still be readily signed?

 

[Tashyboy]

Joe blogs of Donny if he's a good defender David Moyes may be interested at Man Utd coz ave heard he's after ken. Barrows defensive team.

strange thing is that's this is more high profile than the day that the women's England football captain "came out ".

 

[Papas1982]

Joe blogs of Donny if he's a good defender David Moyes may be interested at Man Utd coz ave heard he's after ken. Barrows defensive team.

strange thing is that's this is more high profile than the day that the women's England football captain "came out ".

Unfortunalty homosexuality is still looked and completely differently depending of the sex of the said people involved. Especially I sport. Gay men can't play sport and only gay women play sport is the far to common opinion that can be overheard when the subjects are raised.

 

[SocketRocket]

Re socket & hogan, I appreciate what you say, it is a generational thing, and maybe it's something else. Please don't think I'm having a go, because I'm not, but do you think your 'faith' is a barrier to acceptance ? (I think I recall you both being men of faith)

I'm genuinely interested in the answer

I started to write an answer but decided against it. I think if I was to state the reasons I feel as I do regarding homosexuality then some may find it offensive to them and I really don't want to cause offence. If you are genuinely interested in my reasons then I will discuss via PM.

 

[User20205]

I started to write an answer but decided against it. I think if I was to state the reasons I feel as I do regarding homosexuality then some may find it offensive to them and I really don't want to cause offence. If you are genuinely interested in my reasons then I will discuss via PM.

I genuinely appreciate the reply from you and Hogan. I do understand. My parents are Church goers, and my Dad in particular sometimes, by his own admission, finds the modern world at odds with his faith.

I'm not into castigating him for this (not all the time). I'm more into understanding how people approach the issue.

 

[Ethan]

We are on about same sex relationships here and sharing communal facilities. Totally irrelevant point.

The point, which you may have missed, was that some people associate the gay community with promiscuity partly out if condemnation and partly because it suits their disapproving views.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

Papas to an extent yes I agree with you that it should not make a difference but what has not been said up to yet is that this NFL player in question is the mutts mutts, the gators Tatars, he does his business in the trenches and does it well, he batters quarterbacks, he was voted the best defensive end in the hardest leagues in the college football. He was voted players player in his team he is no 1 in his field and in a business where the greenback is god and winning is everything he will be hot property when it comes to draft picks

Sorry but Michael Sam is no better than a 4th round pick in the 2014 draft. He is an under-sized rush end who would not project into the NFL at DE or OLB and many similar players have looked great in college but have underwhelmed in the pro game.

 

[Tashyboy]

Rated as in or around the top ten defensive ends, who can and has switched to linebacker role thus showing versatility. If he had not switched to linebacker would his ratings of been higher. Come what may he is rated as a defensive player, depending which formation certain teams play.

just thought are these the first posts about this person discussing his ability and not his sexual preferences.

 

[Slime]

I don't know why anyone needs to make a big song & dance about their sexuality.
Attention seeking if IMO

I can see the headlines already,

''Pin-seeker and Slime in thread post agreement shock'',
who'd have thought that would ever happen? :thup:

Slime.