EU Referendum

[MarkE]

Just as an aside to the immigration points. I work with a Portuguese chap and he believes the UK should remain, mainly because of the trade arguments. But he understands the concerns we have with the burden immigration brings on the infrastructure. Apparently Portugal went through a similar situation 10 or so years back with massive immigration from eastern Europe, which has more or less stopped now as most are choosing the wealthier nations to head to.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

[video=youtube_share;0fXghjDVJV4]http://youtu.be/0fXghjDVJV4[/video]

Warning may contain colourful language

 

[SocketRocket]

That's been/being done by the Brexiters - with scares about immigration!

I agree their are concerns expressed by Brexit but in the main they are not racist but numerical.

 

[Leftie]

The economy will dip......no it won't.
Trade will suffer......no it won't.
Jobs will suffer......no they won't.
It's a step into the unknown......no it isn't.

From what I have read and heard, the Remainers mainly used words like "might" and "could" - rarely "will". Why? Because they just don't know. If someone says that xyz might happen, then it also might not.

 

[Leftie]

btw, has anyone else read this?

http://www.digbylordjones.com/why-i-am-voting-to-leave-the-eu.html

 

[Hobbit]

Now you're taking the pee. We've even got the EU debate on countryfile... give me a break!! Save it for the news and political programmes. Roll on June 24th

 

[MarkE]

btw, has anyone else read this?

http://www.digbylordjones.com/why-i-am-voting-to-leave-the-eu.html

That sums it all up nicely.

 

[SocketRocket]

btw, has anyone else read this?

http://www.digbylordjones.com/why-i-am-voting-to-leave-the-eu.html

Digby Jones lays out my feelings on EU membership much better and clearer than I can explain it. His explanation should be the cornerstone of the Leave Campaign. Brilliant.

 

[Hobbit]

"Italy sells €500 million worth of shoes to the UK every year; Germany sells us €16 billion worth of cars; the majority of the trains we use every day are built in Düsseldorf. If we left the EU, there would be a Free Trade Agreement in place in the morning..."


Taken from the link Digbylordjones.

If the UK were to suffer trade restrictions, and decided to do likewise to the industries of the EU, what impact would that have on EU countries? Could they cope with not doing a trade deal with the UK, really?

As I read different topics in the article I'd Google the points, or points that occurred from extrapolating the topic. One that came to mind was where have the redundant workers from Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland emigrated to?

Its astounding to read how strong we are as an economy but, sadly, how much we've propped up the failing economies at our expense. We are the 5th largest economy yet so many aspects of UK living have taken serious hits in the last 5 years.

I want to be part of the (original) EU trading bloc, but why does that have to include so many aspects of law outside of trade? So many people shout about how EU laws protect us from crazy dictatorial Tory rule but how much Labour rule have we had in the last 45yrs, and what would happen at the next election if the Tories over stepped the mark with their rule?

Let's be honest here. The EU is a federal state. We have a 'town mayor' in David Cameron, but we're ruled from Brussels.

 

[SocketRocket]

BREXIT, the Movie:

[video=youtube;eYqzcqDtL3k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k[/video]

 

[Foxholer]

Now you're taking the pee. We've even got the EU debate on countryfile... give me a break!! Save it for the news and political programmes. Roll on June 24th

Given that farmers are going to be the most affected, and probably the earliest to notice any change, it is pretty reasonable that thr topic is discussed on a programme about the countryside - irrespective of whether you actually believe the stories of thousands of farms becoming untenable!

 

[Fish]

BREXIT, the Movie:

[video=youtube;eYqzcqDtL3k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k[/video]

Excellent, I was concerned it was just over an hour long, but what an eye opener and it kept me glued to it, no wonder some of the large corporate companies want to stay in, they don't want competition, it is, as they state, the big boys club, I found the Tate & Lyle story gobsmacking!

This really needs to be watched..

 

[sawtooth]

I thought Gove acquitted himself very well on the recent debate on Sky News. If mentioning "take back control" a hundred times is some sort of brain washing technique then I have to say its working on me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8D8AoC-5i8

Apparently latest poll now have the out camp 4 percentage points ahead.

 

[delc]

I thought Gove acquitted himself very well on the recent debate on Sky News. If mentioning "take back control" a hundred times is some sort of brain washing technique then I have to say its working on me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8D8AoC-5i8

Apparently latest poll now have the out camp 4 percentage points ahead.

When Gove says "Take back control" he means the Tories take back control and can then abolish European workers rights, etc!

 

[Hobbit]

When Gove says "Take back control" he means the Tories take back control and can then abolish European workers rights, etc!

What utter rubbish.

Tories change worker's rights, workers go on strike. Tories don't get voted back in.

Typical scaremongering.

 

[Hacker Khan]

BREXIT, the Movie:

[video=youtube;eYqzcqDtL3k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k[/video]

Is it full of old fat white men saying we should leave by any chance???

 

[Fish]

Is it full of old fat white men saying we should leave by any chance???

Rather than ridicule something try watching it, you might learn something.

 

[Hacker Khan]

With the best will in the world, I can't make it through a 3 minute UKIP party political broadcast. So call me narrow minded and not open to arguments on both sides, but at 80 minutes with a picture of Farage staring at me to entice me in, it ain't happening.

 

[Fish]

With the best will in the world, I can't make it through a 3 minute UKIP party political broadcast. So call me narrow minded and not open to arguments on both sides, but at 80 minute, it ain't happening.

It has nothing to do with UKIP or even Nigel, I'm not sure why he's on the front picture TBH, he only features twice and for less than a few seconds!

So yes, your assumption to judge rather than be open is very narrow minded!

 

[delc]

What utter rubbish.

Tories change worker's rights, workers go on strike. Tories don't get voted back in.

Typical scaremongering.

I should say that I am generally a supporter of the Conservative Party, and was a Young Conservative, but I really don't trust hard right wingers like Michael Gove. The party was much more moderate in my YC days.