SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
There is only a short clip of Farage and it's not a UKIP film. Don't watch it but also don't complain that Brexit have a poor case for leave.
EU Referendum
- Thread starter Doon frae Troon
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There is only a short clip of Farage and it's not a UKIP film. Don't watch it but also don't complain that Brexit have a poor case for leave.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
How many non-public sector workers would still have a job if they went out on strike?
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
When is a Brexit not a Brexit?
When pro Remain MPs are looking at the possibility of using their Commons majority to keep Britain in the single market in the event of a Leave vote.
There's a story about it on the BBC news site (sorry on my Kindle so can't post the link) saying that it means we would still have open borders and free movement within the EU and would still have to pay towards the EU.
When pro Remain MPs are looking at the possibility of using their Commons majority to keep Britain in the single market in the event of a Leave vote.
There's a story about it on the BBC news site (sorry on my Kindle so can't post the link) saying that it means we would still have open borders and free movement within the EU and would still have to pay towards the EU.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
If Carlsberg did referendums...........poll of polls has it 50/50 ATM.........and then on voting day the Scottish votes just carry the day for the stayers.
The seethe would be superb.
The seethe would be superb.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Are these the same pollsters that had Labour ahead of Conservative in the last election and Yes ahead of No in the Scottish referendum? I have no idea which way the vote will go but I certainly won't be looking at the polls to try to work it out.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Thing that gets me is that despite decades of desires, the time of the Leave campaign has come and there is no consensus on their alternative vision.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
How can anyone say what will be agreed after a Brexit. Norway has Free Movement and make voluntary payments to some eastern european nations. Many Many countries trade with the EU and don't have freedom of movement agreements.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
How can there be! Until we actually leave we cannot start negotiations with the EU. There has been much talk on the things Leave dont like now and what they would like in their place, Points Based Immigration for example.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
There can be consensus amongst leavers with regards to the type of relationship they would like to see.
As today's report points out, leaving the EU but joining the single market would still leave us liable to uncontrolled immigration and paying into the EU - but with less say than we have now. As far as I can tell it wouldn't bring much benefit for a whole heap of pain.
Ultimately this is probably why an issue such as this should be decided via a general election rather than a referendum. The majority of those advocating to leave won't have any say in future negotiations with the EU. A real fustercluck of a situation to be honest.
As today's report points out, leaving the EU but joining the single market would still leave us liable to uncontrolled immigration and paying into the EU - but with less say than we have now. As far as I can tell it wouldn't bring much benefit for a whole heap of pain.
Ultimately this is probably why an issue such as this should be decided via a general election rather than a referendum. The majority of those advocating to leave won't have any say in future negotiations with the EU. A real fustercluck of a situation to be honest.
Hacker Khan
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ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
If Carlsberg did referendums....... Scotland vote to Remain in the EU in this referendum. A few years down the line Scotland get a another referendum and votes for independence. Scotland leaves the UK and has to apply to join the EU. The UK which is only still in the EU because of how Scotland voted vetoes their application.
The seethe would be superb.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
You just defeated your own very strange argument.
Under your scenario that would prompt a mass exodus of Mad Kippers, City 'Merchant Bankers', and Con Club members to Scotland
Foxholer
Blackballed
Points based immigration is how non-EU immigration is 'managed' now! Anyone who thinks it 'needs to be introduced' is clerly out of touch, as it was phased in from 2008 to 2010!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points-based_immigration_system_(United_Kingdom)
Non-EU immigration is actually slightly more than EU immigration!
Here's an Indy article 'debunking' some of the myths about immigration!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...es-show-fall-in-non-eu-arrivals-a6895341.html
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I din't want to get into a debate on the pros and cons of points based systems. My answer was related to a point that suggested 'Stay' had not said what policies they wanted. However a points based system is exactly that and can be used to supply suitable immigrants and numbers. These numbers can of course be high if that's what is required but the important point is the country sets the numbers and grades.
TBH, if it is a vote to Leave, I am expecting this to happen.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
I could easily see this happening as well. Which kind of shoots down the Leave campaign claims of reducing immigration. But equally shoots down the Remain claims of leaving being a disaster for trade and the economy.
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
In the event of a vote to exit...
Can't see this government putting the wishes of the electorate ahead of their mates in business...
Don't exactly have a record of doing so...
And, sadly, due to current state of the opposition they'll be put back in at the next GE...
Can't see this government putting the wishes of the electorate ahead of their mates in business...
Don't exactly have a record of doing so...
And, sadly, due to current state of the opposition they'll be put back in at the next GE...
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I don't follow you there. If the MP's ignore the outcome of the Referendum and keep us in the EU how does that shoot down the Leaves campaign to reduce immigration? Surely it would make their position null in void.
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jp5
Q-School Graduate
Not keeping us in the EU... keeping us in the single market, with the associated free movement of people and EU fees.
So not in the EU, but still with two of the three main issues that leave campaigners have cited.
So not in the EU, but still with two of the three main issues that leave campaigners have cited.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I don't believe it would be necessary for us to have these rules to have access to the Market. Many countries trade with the EU and don't have to agree to free movement or pay anything into the budget.
