Delusion

[NWJocko]

If by deluded you mean never practising and rocking up every weekend expecting to shoot the lights out then, absolute, yes I am

If I improved my consistency off the tee and putting I could maybe get down to 2/3 at a push, don't practice enough to get/stay there as it is though.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Whatever....keep practising holing 10 footers - let me know when you get better than holing more than 1 out of 2 on a regular basis. You probably be shooting 84 instead of 85 if you do.

And you play off????

 

[Hobbit]

And you play off????

Probably the junior tees gauging from the childish pulling of wings off flies...

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Probably the junior tees gauging from the childish pulling of wings off flies...

Am assuming no less than a + handicap and on a tour somewhere already. He's certainly that good (or a legend in his own mind)

 

[Fish]

Am assuming no less than a + handicap and on a tour somewhere already. He's certainly that good (or a legend in his own mind)

Leg end more like 😜

 

[garyinderry]

There is two ways in my mind to get the job done.

One is the strike down approach and the other is this. The slip the club in under the ball for a higher soft landing.

Its about knowing when to play each type of shot.

Good luck.

Brilliant example of Phil's hinge and hold strike down pitching method. You beauty.

[video=youtube;5gSoECsEAz4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gSoECsEAz4[/video]

 

[Fish]

Luke Donald has seen less than 50% of the fairways and shares the lead at RBC Heritage because his short game is amazing, his chipping and putting is the best you'll ever see.

#JustSaying :smirk:

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Luke Donald has seen less than 50% of the fairways and shares the lead at RBC Heritage because his short game is amazing, his chipping and putting is the best you'll ever see.

#JustSaying :smirk:

I was going to post similar, he has slapped it all over the place and is tied for the lead at 10 under purely because of his short game. That chip on 18 for birdie was ridiculously good

 

[Fish]

I was going to post similar, he has slapped it all over the place and is tied for the lead at 10 under purely because of his short game. That chip on 18 for birdie was ridiculously good

Arrhh, but, had he hit more of those fairways would he be at least 14 under

 

[TomTom]

Ah Luke Donald - where's he been hiding? I thought he had stopped playing as never see his name anymore. Having a slightly better putting week this week so he might do ok.

Gained 5 strokes in the field in Round 1 - 4 from approach shots, and 4 in Round 2 - 2 from putting, 2 from approach shots. He's hitting closer so therefore likely to hole more putts - which he is.

 

[chrisd]

When I first started playing people said short game, short game, short game but I took the view that having a good short game was pretty useless if it took too many shots to arrive close enough to the green to use it. So I concentrated on the long and medium shots until I could get some consistancy and then switched my focus to the short game. I now work on all the game but know that chipping and putting is going to be the key to a lower handicap and will spend 75 % of my practice time on those things this year

 

[MendieGK]

A lot of this goes back to that question GM posted on twitter a couple of years ago.

What would win? Tour pro hitting all drives and approach shots with an 18 handicapper chipping and putting or vice versa.

the answer is 100% the first one.

So ehilst clearly a little little too aggressive, TomTom has some valid points.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Ah Luke Donald - where's he been hiding? I thought he had stopped playing as never see his name anymore. Having a slightly better putting week this week so he might do ok.

Gained 5 strokes in the field in Round 1 - 4 from approach shots, and 4 in Round 2 - 2 from putting, 2 from approach shots. He's hitting closer so therefore likely to hole more putts - which he is.

Lies damn lies and statistics. You can throw all the stats you like at it but at the end of the day. Donald would not have shot 4 under yesterday without a great short game.

Don't get me wrong, hitting it long and straight is an advantage, I wish could hit it further but the fact is, and this is actually a fact, no matter how good your long game is you will miss on average 4 or more greens per round regardless of the level you play at. If you don't have a decent short game you will not fulfil your potential.

The truth of the matter is, and this is my last input to this conversation, if your short game isn't very good, the answer IS NOT to improve your long game.

 

[srixon 1]

Just get a better long game - if you hit it closer then you will score lower, no matter how bad you are at chipping and putting. Just look at Rose and Sergio on Sunday - their long games won it for them.

Who mentioned how close they hit it - anyone can take 3 to get down from 100 yards, better players take 3 from much further away. Hit is closer to the green from further away and you will score better - no matter how bad you chipping and putting is.

Keeping it in play off the tee is far more key to help getting it into the hole than the finishing off part.

You did.

 

[TomTom]

Maybe I did then!!! You get the gist though - or maybe not. Strokes gained from approach shots from 130 to 220 yards far outweigh minimal strokes gained from putting

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Maybe I did then!!! You get the gist though - or maybe not. Strokes gained from approach shots from 130 to 220 yards far outweigh minimal strokes gained from putting

I must check the results page on my club website to see the strokes gained stats

 

[bobmac]

Maybe I did then!!! You get the gist though - or maybe not. Strokes gained from approach shots from 130 to 220 yards far outweigh minimal strokes gained from putting

If you have a rubbish short game and long game, which would you say is the easiest to improve ?

 

[TomTom]

I must check the results page on my club website to see the strokes gained stats

It's just to left of the one that says how many putts everyone had

 

[Robobum]

I must check the results page on my club website to see the strokes gained stats

My old 4somes partner was off 1 and his short game was horrendous Gord. But he was just very good at choosing a shot that gave him a decent chance at par.

He would get the putter on it from most places, or a straight faced thin & run or the hybrid bunt. Only time he'd use loft is if no alternative - then he'd have to hit a big swing flop and had no real distance control.

But he'd always be putting for par of which he'd make a couple.

So, miss 5 or 6 greens. Get up & down twice. Couple of birdies thrown in.......

I know that doesn't address your chipping issues, but I don't think you hcap goals are delusional even with your current game.

Now, if I could drive it like you.......I'd probably have beaten Sergio in that play off last week. Delusional?? 😂😉

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In regards the whole short game / long game scenario which seems to be the main issue over the last page worth of posts - myself and someone else I play with regularly are two perfect examples of both

He plays of the 3 - the reason why is because his long game and ball striking is out of the world , haven't seen many hit it further with consistency and accuracy , it's as good as a Pros long game imo but he doesn't convert anywhere near enough of the chances he gets using the putter and his chipping on the whole is poor

Myself - I don't hit it miles , I'm easily at least 60/70 yards regualry behind him from the tee and he goes into par 3s with short irons where as for me it's Mid and long irons ( when playing a decent length Champ course ) but my short game or indeed game from 100 yards in is pretty decent , especially my chipping and putting but ultimately would say it's better than his

If he combine the two it would make a scratch/ plus HC golfer

But we are both example of the opposite end but who have reached similar levels of HC.

There is for me no one single thing that is more important that others - you can become a cat 1 player with a poor short game if you can hit it miles and you can become a cat 1 player if you don't hit it miles but have a very good short game

For me D4S getting lower isn't delusional just because you believe you have short game issues ( chipping ) , your long game and iron play is good enough for you to get round courses under your HC - being a good chipper would help but it won't stop you imo

For me I reckon I could get to a good 3 HC - if I could hit it further then maybe down to 2