Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Not a cat in hell's chance!! Congrats.
The guy without the current handicap should feel as guilty as possible though for his partner.
Countback............. !
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Not a cat in hell's chance!! Congrats.
The guy without the current handicap should feel as guilty as possible though for his partner.
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
Another option would be to have the countback based on the SI, whereby the team playing SI1-9 the best wins, then down to 1-6, then 1-3.
Ok similar to the normal countback, but at least it would be based on the tougher holes (ish).
Ok similar to the normal countback, but at least it would be based on the tougher holes (ish).
rosecott
Money List Winner
Here we go again - the myth of the relationship between SI numbers and difficulty. If the club has followed CONGU guidelines, then SI 1 to 9 could well not be the 9 most difficult holes.
rosecott
Money List Winner
What on earth was your club thinking of allowing someone to enter without a handicap. If he wasn't a member of your club, it would take only a minute to check on him on CDH.
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
And that is why I inserted the (ish) in my thread.
chrisd
Major Champion
The guy had left his club and was not a member anywhere. They were checking guests on HDID and I guess they were busy and did it later after he went out. He entered (presumably) giving the club and current h/cap on the entry. At least they still checked on what, after all was a busy day for the secretary.
rosecott
Money List Winner
You'd be surprised at the number of players who drop their membership, leave the club clutching a handicap certificate, don't join another club and think the certificate is valid forever.
Another countback question.
A mate of mine told me he had lost a strokeplay comp on countback by half a shot. He plays off 4 and the winner plays off 21. For countback purposes the higher handicapper had been given 10.5 shots per front/back nine. Now at our course the stroke index is odd for the front 9 and even for the back 9. So if the high handicapper had been given 11 for the front and 10 for the back it would have been a tie over the back 9 so would have come down to the back 6. Unfortunately, the score cards have not been posted on HDID so my mate can't check what the result would have been.
Was this correct way of working it out?
A mate of mine told me he had lost a strokeplay comp on countback by half a shot. He plays off 4 and the winner plays off 21. For countback purposes the higher handicapper had been given 10.5 shots per front/back nine. Now at our course the stroke index is odd for the front 9 and even for the back 9. So if the high handicapper had been given 11 for the front and 10 for the back it would have been a tie over the back 9 so would have come down to the back 6. Unfortunately, the score cards have not been posted on HDID so my mate can't check what the result would have been.
Was this correct way of working it out?
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
for medal - yes. I should add that this is based on the R&A recomended basis for the resolution of handicap stroke play events when a playoff is not feesable.
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SharkAttack
Q-School Graduate
Countback is never a good way of deciding a competition, as some people play some holes well and others play others well. If your good holes are the front 9 then you never win i countbackand if someone else plays all there good holes in the back 9 they never lose.
Sadly there is no better way, so short of pistols at dawn we're stuck with it.
Shark
Sadly there is no better way, so short of pistols at dawn we're stuck with it.
Shark
rosecott
Money List Winner
Fractions should not be rounded for countbacks, so the applicable deduction should be 10.5
Foxholer
Blackballed
So the question in the original post shouldn't have been 'Is there a better way' but rather 'Is there a way I could have won'!
My view is that you knew (or should have) and accepted the 'rules' when you entered the comp, so you accept the result (DQs notwithstanding!) when it does/does not go your way on the countback.
Been working and watching the footie. We could have gone down the 18th again as it wasn't that far and would have been neat to see everyone around the green. Losing on the last 6 holes is tough but someone has to win and you were more consistent. Lost two other events since on countback so getting the feeling I'm due one now.
Is there a better way that is equitable across the whole field. Possibly not and as this is generally the given way of deciding then take it on the chin if you lose and be gracius if you win
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Rosie - this isn't a myth - it's a fact at a very large number of clubs.
CONGU might have guidelines for SI allocation but a significant number, possibly even a majority, of clubs allocate SI by hole difficulty.
That's the way it is, whether it should be or not. And although 2 sets of SI can be used, again, the vast majority don't.
chrisd
Major Champion
You obviously havn't read the posts that I have put up on the thread. I stated that I fully accept the competition rules and have both won and lost on countback over a number of years. I don't necessarily find it satisfactory either way but I was certainly not looking to find a way "to win" from a loss. The fact that the other team were dq'd doesn't make me happy either.
The thing that pleased me was another mid 70's gross score and the feeling that after 4 years of fitness problems and 2 new hips that single figures is at last a realistic objective!
Foxholer
Blackballed
My reply was to you 'Cancel this Thread' post.
Sarcasm notwithstanding, this indicated to me that, as soon as you found out that you had won rather than lost, you were no longer interested in the 'better way' - in spite of your other posts (that I actually had read!). Have you checked what The Rules say btw? (33.6)
matriga
Club Champion
Chrisd, I totally agree with you on this. It's not a fair way to seperate. I will tell you what I think about it. There should be two prizes for both winners. And okay, that's not always possible if they're 6 at the top. Then maybe based on the best gross score?
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Jings, what a pile of sour grapes, we all know the system.
If he would have won OCB he would be on here telling us of his great victory with no thought whatsoever of the guy who lost OCB.
If he would have won OCB he would be on here telling us of his great victory with no thought whatsoever of the guy who lost OCB.
rosecott
Money List Winner
What facts do you have to support your statement that possibly a majority of clubs do not follow the CONGU guidelines? You are falling into the trap of believing the folklore that SI1 is always the hardest (?) hole on the course.
chrisd
Major Champion
Well Fox, I don't quite see how you came to that conclusion as I have posted several times on the thread that I don't find it a very satisfactory conclusion, either when I have won or lost, and, yes,I do know the rule and furthermore I meant my "cancel the thread" to be comical and, for the record, not the way you interpreted it!
I even posted that I was saddened to win by a DQ - I find your assumption rather offensive!
