Club V Country, more fuel to the fire.....

[Hobbit]

As the player is paid by Liverpool then it will be Liverpool who dictate their fitness regimes

If a player gets injured when training then he gets injured - if he gets injured when he should be resting then that's a failing ( which is the exact point that is being made by Rodgers ) - the player it appears asked to be rested as per his fitness regime but that was ignored ( that is the point which is clearly being missed )

It makes zero difference who the player plays for

But its ok for L'pool to play a player for 5 mths who needed shoulder surgery? Where is the Duty of Care in that? Let's remember, the player could have exacerbated that injury during the rough and tumble of a game. Duty of Care when its suits... this isn't Victorian times, when employers could ride rough shod over its employees.

You can witter and whinge and whine as much as you like but if L'pool are willing to play someone who needed surgery...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But its ok for L'pool to play a player for 5 mths who needed shoulder surgery? Where is the Duty of Care in that? Let's remember, the player could have exacerbated that injury during the rough and tumble of a game. Duty of Care when its suits... this isn't Victorian times, when employers could ride rough shod over its employees.

You can witter and whinge and whine as much as you like but if L'pool are willing to play someone who needed surgery...

Allen was bought by Liverpool and paid his wages

It's their choice what they do in regards his fitness

Allens shoulder injury was deemed not to get worse due to him playing and not to effect his playing by the Liverpool medical staff and doctor and the player himself wanted to keep playing and then had the OP to get him ready for the next season.

Players have constantly continued to play despite upper body injuries that require attention

The relevance to the Sturridge situation is zero

 

[Dodger]

If this was a Southampton player would this thread even have legs?

No,thought not.

 

[Hacker Khan]

That post just show a lack of understanding of modern football or even sport or possibly just being very naive

Fitness training has been tailored for each specific player for a good number of years now

My wife plays national league hockey and even she has a tailored fitness regime.

Sturridge or in fact any player will have a specific regime and if that is ignored and the player is injured then the FA will be culpable - it has nothing to do with looking for excuses in regards future results - it's about the club ( who pay the wages of the player ) losing a player because of the incompetence of the national coaches. But it's no surprise these days with the way the FA is so detached from the ways and needs of modern football

You know, I'm sure there's something that connects the 2 posters Liverpoolphil and liverbirdie who were very upset with my post, when we are taking about a Liverpool player. What could it be........ . no, I can't quite place it.

Anyway, they made their point and I'm sure they would be as vociferous if we were talking of say Rooney, or Kompany, as we all know football fans are very fair and not myopic when it comes to their teams.

Still bugging me what the connection is.....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You know, I'm sure there's something that connects the 2 posters Liverpoolphil and liverbirdie who were very upset with my post, when we are taking about a Liverpool player. What could it be........ . no, I can't quite place it.

Anyway, they made their point and I'm sure they would be as vociferous if we were talking of say Rooney, or Kompany, as we all know football fans are very fair and not myopic when it comes to their teams.

Still bugging me what the connection is.....

As mentioned a number of times - my point would be exactly the same thing regardless of the player.

Your post just showed a lack of understanding of fitness within modern sport - that's regardless of what team is being talked about

 

[Papas1982]

There is always a way - only have to read the recent comments by Scholes in regards what Taggert used to do

The players could also retire from International football for a little bonus from the club - lots of ways.

In other countries the relevant FA's work alongside the clubs - for friendlies the main players get rested a lot of the time and the communication is there between the FA and the clubs to enhance both club and international football.

The English FA have got a guy who was in charge of the BBC as it's head and couldn't communicate between two cans and a bit of string - the clubs will continue to have contempt for the FA until the FA realise they need the clubs to improve the England set up.

Fifa actually have the power to refuse a players intl retirement. As France showed when forcing makele to play. All intl teams play friendlies. Germany played Argentina last week too.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Fifa actually have the power to refuse a players intl retirement. As France showed when forcing makele to play. All intl teams play friendlies. Germany played Argentina last week too.

"The situation is that any player is free to decide that he is not playing for his national team," said Fifa spokesman Andreas Herren.

"There is no Fifa rule to prevent any player stopping his international career, that's up to him.

 

[rosecott]

The unmistakable conclusion from this thread is that nobody, but nobody, whinges more than a Liverpool supporter.

 

[Papas1982]

"The situation is that any player is free to decide that he is not playing for his national team," said Fifa spokesman Andreas Herren.

"There is no Fifa rule to prevent any player stopping his international career, that's up to him.

Well using Google it would appear that platini is quoted as saying otherwise. And makele was forced to play for France after his retirement too.

Clubs don't country intl football. You may not like it, but if it wasn't the case then clubs would obviously pull their players from duty. But they don't. There must be a reason?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well using Google it would appear that platini is quoted as saying otherwise. And makele was forced to play for France after his retirement too.

Clubs don't country intl football. You may not like it, but if it wasn't the case then clubs would obviously pull their players from duty. But they don't. There must be a reason?

Players regulary get pulled from international duty

FIFA don't have the power to stop a player from retiring

There is no laws to stop a player from retiring regardless what Platini thinks hence why Ribery wont play again unless he comes out of retirement which is what Makalele did

 

[Dodger]

Well using Google it would appear that platini is quoted as saying otherwise. And makele was forced to play for France after his retirement too.

Clubs don't country intl football. You may not like it, but if it wasn't the case then clubs would obviously pull their players from duty. But they don't. There must be a reason?

I cannot understand any country wanting someone play after they have announced their retirement.

Surely said player is likely to struggle to give half a leg in the game if he's not interested?

 

[chrisd]

The unmistakable conclusion from this thread is that nobody, but nobody, whinges more than a Liverpool supporter.

Ah! They certainly do, I saw them at Selhurst Park a little while back!

It's so easy for making a club before country stance, but paying someone's wages doesn't give the club the right to tell the England manager how to train the player, when he can pick him or how long he plays for. On the point of no need for friendly matches ..... did Liverpool go into the first league game with the odd friendly pre season, if so, why?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ah! They certainly do, I saw them at Selhurst Park a little while back!

It's so easy for making a club before country stance, but paying someone's wages doesn't give the club the right to tell the England manager how to train the player, when he can pick him or how long he plays for. On the point of no need for friendly matches ..... did Liverpool go into the first league game with the odd friendly pre season, if so, why?

Pre season training to mainly enable the players to gain match fitness after having 5-6 weeks without playing football

Again if the England team requires a friendly before each competitive match why doesn't that happen before each match ?!

Sorry but zero relevance between a club pre season friendly to gain fitness and an Imternational friendly

And yes a club can dictate how a player is looked after by the country - especially when that player is on a specialist fitness regime due to previous injury issues - the club knows the player more than any international medical or coaching team as they see them week in week out. It's common sense more than anything else. If the country decide to ignore club advice then expect lawsuits and an even slippery slope to a bigger divide between the club and the FA

 

[chrisd]

Pre season training to mainly enable the players to gain match fitness after having 5-6 weeks without playing football

Again if the England team requires a friendly before each competitive match why doesn't that happen before each match ?!

Sorry but zero relevance between a club pre season friendly to gain fitness and an Imternational friendly

And yes a club can dictate how a player is looked after by the country - especially when that player is on a specialist fitness regime due to previous injury issues - the club knows the player more than any international medical or coaching team as they see them week in week out. It's common sense more than anything else. If the country decide to ignore club advice then expect lawsuits and an even slippery slope to a bigger divide between the club and the FA

England/FIFA decide on their structure for international matches and breaks for them, friendly or otherwise

It's not "zero" relevance - clubs use friendlies for fitness AND to work out formations and tactics . England need friendlies to try to blood new players, new combinations of players, different playing systems and I don't think the relevance is ZERO relevance to a PL teams reasons.

England obviously can decide on their training regime otherwise it would be happening differently now. I don't disagree that England shouldn't take into account any specialist club ideas/wishes but it would potentially make a mockery of an international meet if, say, 16 players all had different training shedules!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

England/FIFA decide on their structure for international matches and breaks for them, friendly or otherwise

It's not "zero" relevance - clubs use friendlies for fitness AND to work out formations and tactics . England need friendlies to try to blood new players, new combinations of players, different playing systems and I don't think the relevance is ZERO relevance to a PL teams reasons.

England obviously can decide on their training regime otherwise it would be happening differently now. I don't disagree that England shouldn't take into account any specialist club ideas/wishes but it would potentially make a mockery of an international meet if, say, 16 players all had different training shedules!

Yes FIFA do decide when the international breaks are - and I would like them reduce as believe there are too many of them

Hence why i would like to see less friendlies ( not none ) and less qualifying matches by making the lower ranked clubs pre qualify into the main qualifying

Training schedules are different for a lot of players and will depend on position etc with some sessions overlapping

Players with niggles will be rested for certain sessions etc etc

In those case Sturridge has thigh strain niggles so has a tailored fitness regime to ensure that he is fit for both his club and country

If a club has said to England to rest a player for a certain period to protect the player and England ignore that and the said player gets injured "Regardless of who they play for" - thats poor- very poor

 

[Hacker Khan]

Hey, at least breda now has a ready made excuse after being stuffed by a team that just avoided regulation last year

 

[richy]

Less international fixtures would be a great start - get rid of the meaningless friendlies

Revamp the international scene to get the smaller countries to pre qualify into the World Cup or Euro qualifying to reduce the amount of international games played throughout the season to also allow the players to be fresher for both club and country - would also enhance the quality in the qualifying.

Players do get injured - that is unavoidable but if it's true that Sturridge asked to be rested as per his fitness plan set out and that was ignored by England - that is wrong and showing a lack of duty of care to the player - that is valid regardless of who the player is or who he plays for - the opinion would be the same if it was a Chelsea or City or Arsenal player. The FA have a responsibility to take care of the players - it appears they failed in this case and that is what has angered Rodgers. If he got injured during the match then it happens - nothing can be done to avoid those incidents happening.

I agree, less meaningless friendlies but the same amount of games against stronger opposition.

England probably wanted a warm up game after a poor World Cup and due to the fact there were a lot of new players to blood.

I don't really believe that the England coaching staff would of 'ignored' Sturridge if he said he needed a rest. Also surely Sterling would be on the same training routine at Liverpool. Why didn't he get injured?

 

[richy]

Lets put out this situation into a different example. If I allowed someone to borrow my car and it came back with a buggered transmission then '**** happens' and you just deal with it. If I had told that person to be careful with it, not thrash it around because the transmission is dodgy, then they just drive it around in sport mode red lining it everywhere, I am well within my rights to be pissed off when the transmission breaks down, aren't I?

The thing is your car didn't WANT to be borrowed by someone else. Sturridge WANTED to be away with his national side.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Hey, at least breda now has a ready made excuse after being stuffed by a team that just avoided regulation last year

Stuffed ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree, less meaningless friendlies but the same amount of games against stronger opposition.

England probably wanted a warm up game after a poor World Cup and due to the fact there were a lot of new players to blood.

I don't really believe that the England coaching staff would of 'ignored' Sturridge if he said he needed a rest. Also surely Sterling would be on the same training routine at Liverpool. Why didn't he get injured?

If England didn't ignore the request then I'm sure we will hear from the FA soon in response to BR - so far it's quiet

And Sterling isn't on the same fitness routine as Sturridge has a history of thigh issues hence why he was asked to be rested to protect that and not Sterling - which was mentioned by BR

Sterling was rested from the starting line up today to protect him