Cheating .............................. or not cheating, that is the question?

[c1973]

Not really, a dive is a dive, a foul can be deliberate or accidental.

Again, IMO.

Talking about 'professional' fouls though, i.e, deliberate.

 

[Val]

To cheat is to deliberately break the rules.
There may be some form of penalty for doing so but that doesn't stop it being cheating.
You can commit a foul without it being deliberate, but what Suarez did, or chopping down someone to prevent them scoring is a deliberate action, the outcome of which breaks the rules.
Therefore it is cheating.
As is diving, using a leather wedge in golf or doping in cycling.

You cannot possibly tell me a deliberate hand ball in football is the same as doping in cycling

 

[NWJocko]

Talking about 'professional' fouls though, i.e, deliberate.

Yes, but that is to distinguish it from an accidental foul.

What are you trying to distinguish a "professional dive" from?

 

[c1973]

You cannot possibly tell me a deliberate hand ball in football is the same as doping in cycling

If it stops a team from winning the CL and the prize money that entails then it could be argued (from a financial point of view) it's worse.

Note: I'm assuming there's a lot more cash in the CL than cycling. I genuinely don't know if there is.

 

[Tiger man]

Well done Slime you tease.

 

[c1973]

Yes, but that is to distinguish it from an accidental foul.

What are you trying to distinguish a "professional dive" from?

An accidental one.





I'd love to see all yer faces if you caught your fc trying to gain a wee advantage by flagrantly breaching the rules, y'all would be on here frothing at the mouth, starting a thread about whether the 'cheat' should be reported to the committee etc.

A professional foul is ok, but if a ref misses a penalty or has a poor game he wants sacking etc etc. Strange.(imo).



Edit: btw, I'm not fussed either way. I played FB, DM and centre half.......I'd have halfed you in two if it stopped you from scoring.......never claimed it was 'professional' though......cynical, yes.....but not professional.

 

[Imurg]

You cannot possibly tell me a deliberate hand ball in football is the same as doping in cycling

Insofar as it is deliberately breaking the rules of the specific sport - yes.

In principle, speeding and blowing someone's head off with a shotgun are the same - they both break the rules. One is obviously more severe than the other

 

[richart]

No it is a foul, otherwise it would be called professional cheating. Go on argue against that.

 

[NWJocko]

An accidental one.





I'd love to see all yer faces if you caught your fc trying to gain a wee advantage by flagrantly breaching the rules, y'all would be on here frothing at the mouth, starting a thread about whether the 'cheat' should be reported to the committee etc.

A professional foul is ok, but if a ref misses a penalty or has a poor game he wants sacking etc etc. Strange.(imo).

You can't compare it with golf, again IMO.

You commit a deliberate/professional foul on the halfway line and you know you're getting a yellow and "getting away with it".

There are no such second chances in golf are there? If your pp kicks it out the rough on the fairway less serious than moving a marker nearer the hole on the green?

Very different context in footy and golf. IMO.

 

[Val]

Insofar as it is deliberately breaking the rules of the specific sport - yes.

In principle, speeding and blowing someone's head off with a shotgun are the same - they both break the rules. One is obviously more severe than the other

Mental.

Beer night tonight Ian?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Whatever Chelsea do - I'll say that they were in the wrong.

 

[Tiger man]

Whatever Chelsea do - I'll say that they were in the wrong.

:rofl:

 

[Imurg]

Mental.

Beer night tonight Ian?

In what way am I wrong..?
Is deliberate handball against the rules of football?
Is doping against the rules of cycling..?

Both are breaking rules - theres a huge differential in degrees but the principle is the same.

Deliberate rule breaking is cheating.

 

[c1973]

You can't compare it with golf, again IMO.

You commit a deliberate/professional foul on the halfway line and you know you're getting a yellow and "getting away with it".

There are no such second chances in golf are there? If your pp kicks it out the rough on the fairway less serious than moving a marker nearer the hole on the green?

Very different context in footy and golf. IMO.

Last seconds of the game, player clean through for the winning/equalizing goal and......BLOOTER!!!........he's not getting a second chance though, is he?




Cheating is cheating, it's just that some forms of cheating are viewed as acceptable by some and not others, that's all.

 

[NWJocko]

Last seconds of the game, player clean through for the winning/equalizing goal and......BLOOTER!!!........he's not getting a second chance though, is he?




Cheating is cheating, it's just that some forms of cheating are viewed as acceptable by some and not others, that's all.

So you really consider every foul in a football match as "cheating"?

Maybe just the connotation that "cheating" has but I would consider them differently.

 

[c1973]

So you really consider every foul in a football match as "cheating"?

Maybe just the connotation that "cheating" has but I would consider them differently.

..........Cheating is cheating, it's just that some forms of cheating are viewed as acceptable by some and not others, that's all..........

I never said every foul is cheating, but way to go in avoiding answering the scenario I did respond with.

As I said earlier, I'm really not that fussed either way.

 

[Tiger man]

So you really consider every foul in a football match as "cheating"?

Maybe just the connotation that "cheating" has but I would consider them differently.

Not every foul is cheating, just deliberate ones.

 

[NWJocko]

Not every foul is cheating, just deliberate ones.

So you consider a deliberate foul the same as diving?

Everyone raves on about diving as "cheating" but there's no campaign to stop the hack on the half way line is there?

I really don't care tbh, just read the footy thread and assume this was aimed as a wind up at LP over the Nasri "foul"?

 

[NWJocko]

..........Cheating is cheating, it's just that some forms of cheating are viewed as acceptable by some and not others, that's all..........

I never said every foul is cheating, but way to go in avoiding answering the scenario I did respond with.

As I said earlier, I'm really not that fussed either way.

I'm not either.

You're bit in bold suggests I view cheating as acceptable? I hope that isn't the intention.

 

[c1973]

I'm not either.

You're bit in bold suggests I view cheating as acceptable? I hope that isn't the intention.

Nope.