upsidedown
Tour Winner
Your projected index will change every round played but playing index only changes every 14 days.
Change to US style slope system from current CSS
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Your projected index will change every round played but playing index only changes every 14 days.
the_coach
Journeyman Pro
courses are rated by regional & state teams (usually 3 or 4 'qualified usga members)
holes are rated on a bunch of criteria included length (from different tee box areas) topography of the hole - elevation etc, hazards - water, trees, bunkers, desert, waste areas, rocks etc
the length & nature of the rough
the size, slopes & speed pf greens etc
usga pay for the cost - which then gets filtered through to the Clubs & folks playing
any answers to any of the questions can be found on the usga website - also the changes that will be in place from January 2016
folks that are more interested in the minutia can find this in the drop down section under handicapping - 'usga handicap system manual'
http://www.usga.org/Handicapping/understanding-your-handicap-index.html
gives detail of how this all works over here
the final details in the UK will depend what exactly the system is that is adopted by the governing body as to whether it's taken on fully or in some kinda of hybrid form
those of us who have an index which are also closely monitored through State & National competition play in order to be eligible for representational teams don't possess index's that would be 2,3 or more higher in the UK
holes are rated on a bunch of criteria included length (from different tee box areas) topography of the hole - elevation etc, hazards - water, trees, bunkers, desert, waste areas, rocks etc
the length & nature of the rough
the size, slopes & speed pf greens etc
usga pay for the cost - which then gets filtered through to the Clubs & folks playing
any answers to any of the questions can be found on the usga website - also the changes that will be in place from January 2016
folks that are more interested in the minutia can find this in the drop down section under handicapping - 'usga handicap system manual'
http://www.usga.org/Handicapping/understanding-your-handicap-index.html
gives detail of how this all works over here
the final details in the UK will depend what exactly the system is that is adopted by the governing body as to whether it's taken on fully or in some kinda of hybrid form
those of us who have an index which are also closely monitored through State & National competition play in order to be eligible for representational teams don't possess index's that would be 2,3 or more higher in the UK
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I personally hope we don't get the USGA system foisted on us, because it will take the fun out of bounce/friendly games if you have to treat them all as mini-medals, and how does it accommodate match play games when you are not playing to stroke play rules?
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Its being done by trained volunteers in each county, feel free to contact your county to volunteers. The more there are the quicker it's done.
There is no major cost implications.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Slight contradiction in the context of the point being made!
It will take as long as it takes the available volunteers - if it was being done to contract it could be done a lot faster, but would cost money that's not available!
The time it will take is a function of cost.
upsidedown
Tour Winner
All the answers are in the links posted earlier.
I still don't like the USGA system. The European Golf Association Handicapping System is a sort of halfway house between CONGU and USGA, and seems much better to me.
http://www.ega-golf.ch/content/ega-handicap-system
Foxholer
Blackballed
Not quite - and I think UpsideDown might have misunderstood you.
The (Strokeplay) score you record goes into the bucket of scores that might be considered. The Course Rating and Slope for the tees you played is also recorded and used as part of the calculation (which is basically 'what you scored compared with what you were expected to score'). So a Par 70, CR 73.6, Slope 140 that you scored 77 on would be considered ahead of (at least until it was aged off) a Par 72 CR 70.8 Slope 115 that you scored 75 on.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
That makes more sense. I looked at my last ten scores and I played them on 7 different courses ranging from pretty easy to Carnoustie... would be daft to just take scores relative to par on them!
upsidedown
Tour Winner
Sorry , yes misunderstood the question and agree with Foxholer's post
Crow
Crow Person
To me that last line suggests a flaw in the system.
A system that requires a return after every round, friendly or competition, and requires you to guess what score you would have made at any uncompleted holes is obviously flawed IMHO!
upsidedown
Tour Winner
A system that requires a return after every round, friendly or competition, and requires you to guess what score you would have made at any uncompleted holes is obviously flawed IMHO!
Really , here you are wanting it !!!!
http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?72287-Old-age-loss-of-distance-and-handicaps!
I am 68 years old. I reckon that I have lost 20 yards of driving distance since I was 65 and 50 yards since I was 50, so it's going down almost exponentially. I now stuggle to reach any par-4's that are more than about 360 yards long in regulation. I did get down to handicap 10.2 last year after a couple of exceptionally good/lucky rounds, but now generally struggle to score more than 30 points. My handicap has gone back up to 12.1 in increments of 0.1 per qualifying competition, but it really needs to be about 15. At the current rate of increase this will require another 30 Q comps! I play in about 12 comps per year, so 2.5 years maybe. The USGA Handicapping system would be much fairer on old gents like me, as I could start dropping good scores made a couple of years ago much sooner!
That's to address a flaw in the CONGU system, which is also less than perfect in my opinion!
Foxholer
Blackballed
Why?
the_coach is merely stating that at or around Scratch, Congu and the slope system are pretty close to each other (and congrats t_c on going further into the Plus category!).
For others, the Slope system adjusts expected score/handicap for the day along the lines of reality!
If you check out this document http://www.congu.com/faqs/old_site/Review of Handicaps.pdf
you will note that the 'expected score' on any day is rather different from your Congu handicap!
The USGA Index is exactly that - not a Handicap! Most courses are probably around 127-135, so there needs to be an adjustment (for Course Rating and along the slope) to that Index for 'handicap for the round' and the result is probably not all that far off what a Congu 'expected score' would end up with!
upsidedown
Tour Winner
Which is addressed under USGA as it's based on your current playing standards. Also can stop those who seem to always win in national pairs comps as those cards get counted , so no hiding your handicap by just playing Matchplay and 4BBB :thup:
Y
Some of the issues I have complained about in the past have been addressed in the 2016 version of CONGU, e.g. 7 consecutive failures to make buffer will trigger an automatic handicap review. I would just like to see the minimum number of returns (competition or supplementary cards) increased to to at least 10 per year. This would leave most golfers the opportunity to play plenty of bounce/friendly games without worrying about handicaps and all the bureaucracy the USGA system seems to entail.
upsidedown
Tour Winner
What bureaucracy is that then? From my experience you get a card printed out with your handicap on it including the holes where you get shots, really good for when playing a new course. You place your completed card inn the box provided or hand back to competition organisers and your projected index is updated and then every 14 days you get an e-mail/text informing you of your new handicap index.
What's not to like?
G
P.S. It sounds as though most clubs will need a new computer system and someone to administer all the card entries, which will add to the cost of my membership!
If I am playing in a 4BBB match my approach to the game may be somewhat different to playing in a medal, e.g. one player goes for a safe par (or in the case of seniors matches a safe bogey) for a half, while the other tries for a nett birdie for a win. In a singles medal I am just trying to keep the ball in play and avoiding any big numbers. The two forms of golf are just not compatible!
P.S. It sounds as though most clubs will need a new computer system and someone to administer all the card entries, which will add to the cost of my membership!
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IanG
Tour Rookie
And yet in CONGU we use the same handicap for both .....
