Change to US style slope system from current CSS

[HomerJSimpson]

At best that is 20 days of howling gales then ?
Moderately windy conditions shouldn't effect a well struck golf shot I for one cant think of 20 consecutive rounds where the weather has adversely affected my scoring . If it really is that bad at your place you need to adapt your game for the conditions :thup:

I agree. I can't see how you'd get twenty consecutive rounds where weather will be an major contribution

 

[garyinderry]

I agree. I can't see how you'd get twenty consecutive rounds where weather will be an major contribution

Ever played golf in Ireland? :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 3432]

I agree. I can't see how you'd get twenty consecutive rounds where weather will be an major contribution

That can be the norm up here on the north west coast, I can vaguely remember a flat calm day a couple of years ago! I think I had two rounds this year when I didn't have some sort of jacket on, mainly to keep warm in the cold wind.

 

[delc]

About the only good thing about the USGA handicapping system is that it would allow the handicaps of senior golfers with declining abilities to increase a bit more rapidly than the drip feed of 0.1 increases under the CONGU system!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

That can be the norm up here on the north west coast, I can vaguely remember a flat calm day a couple of years ago! I think I had two rounds this year when I didn't have some sort of jacket on, mainly to keep warm in the cold wind.

Really? To the point where it makes a huge difference to the scoring? I'm not doubting you, just surprised. Clearly off your level you've learned to deal with it. However based on the slope system what effect do you think it'll have on your handicap given normal weather conditions including the wind

 

[Deleted member 15344]

About the only good thing about the USGA handicapping system is that it would allow the handicaps of senior golfers with declining abilities to increase a bit more rapidly than the drip feed of 0.1 increases under the CONGU system!

It does now and you have annual review.

 

[delc]

It does now and you have annual review.

You still have to clock up 7 consecutive failures to make the buffer zone before anything is flagged up!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You still have to clock up 7 consecutive failures to make the buffer zone before anything is flagged up!

And ? Do you think it should be less than that ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

You still have to clock up 7 consecutive failures to make the buffer zone before anything is flagged up!

Fail to see the point. If you need a helping hand, then surely the system is designed to do it under the annual review. Personally I'm very wary about this slope system

 

[upsidedown]

Fail to see the point. If you need a helping hand, then surely the system is designed to do it under the annual review. Personally I'm very wary about this slope system

That's the problem though an annual review is well annual . As I highlighted earlier guy from my old NZ club was struggling with form so under their system gained two shots in 20 rounds, he did briefly gain 3 .

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Really? To the point where it makes a huge difference to the scoring? I'm not doubting you, just surprised. Clearly off your level you've learned to deal with it. However based on the slope system what effect do you think it'll have on your handicap given normal weather conditions including the wind

Generally worth a couple of shots compared to the odd calm day. It's a case of having to deal with it for all of the field but it would be nice to play in warm weather with little breeze just occasionally during the summer!

Personally I'm happy with the system we have in place now, I think CSS going up to +3 or reduction only factors in tough conditions on the day.

As for the slope system I don't fancy the idea of going somewhere and playing off a different handicap. I've played a fair few times at Southernness which I believe has a slope of 148 making it one of the highest rated courses in Scotland. It's a very difficult course BUT the sss is 73 against par of 69 off the whites (sss 74 off blues) and so the course plays par 73 in my eyes so that is my mindset and 9 over par makes buffer for me.

No need to play off a different handicap in this case.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what system we have it will have its flaws and won't suit everyone. For the social golfer it shouldn't be anything to worry about and competitive golfers should play a few away comps each season, it helps you be a more rounded golfer as it makes you think your way around an unfamiliar track. Or it should!

 

[delc]

And ? Do you think it should be less than that ?

Probably not, but it might take several months to play in 7 qualifiers. USGA is likely to be much quicker if all rounds count!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Probably not, but it might take several months to play in 7 qualifiers. USGA is likely to be much quicker if all rounds count!

In the season we have a weekend medal and stableford, midweek equivalents and usually at least one other comp per month so that's a minimum of five. Can't see how it'll take several months providing you are playing as often as possible

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Probably not, but it might take several months to play in 7 qualifiers. USGA is likely to be much quicker if all rounds count!

Well thats not the systems fault - the person can always put in supplementary cards

 

[garyinderry]

Seniors should be able to play more golf than anyone else. jammy old dodgers.

 

[delc]

In the season we have a weekend medal and stableford, midweek equivalents and usually at least one other comp per month so that's a minimum of five. Can't see how it'll take several months providing you are playing as often as possible

Our 5-day member seniors only have 1, or very occasionally 2, qualifiers available to them per month, and most of them wouldn't put in a supplementary card. They are generally the preserve of keen young members who are trying to get their handicaps down!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Our 5-day member seniors only have 1, or very occasionally 2, qualifiers available to them per month, and most of them wouldn't put in a supplementary card. They are generally the preserve of keen young members who are trying to get their handicaps down!

Then it's their own fault - system is there for them to use - it's their choice

 

[delc]

I see some major issues. Namely weather not being a factor. My course has wildly varying CSS based on weather conditions. I've mentioned elsewhere that a 77 in a howling gale at my place is tougher to shoot than 74 in a flat calm. Also what if the course is set up tough for an event, say club champ, all back tees, pins tucked away, fairways narrowed.

This is why I like CSS.

Only three problems with playing in wind:

1) Playing into wind you can't make the distance.
2) Playing downwind you can't stop the ball on the green.
3 Playing cross wind the ball goes sideways. *

* If you allow for the wind the ball goes straight. If you don't it curves wickedly.

 

[3565]

A friend of mine lives in California and had a left wrist problem that made it hard for him to swing a club. But he still wanted to play and he continued to do so, right arm only, he plays of +1, and after putting the rounds in (under the USGA system) got his hc to 12 which he then played in his club championship and other competitive comps. He's now back to playing off scratch.

Would Congu system allow an exceptional circumstance above to happen?

I honestly dont know cos I can't be bothered to read and understand the blurb.

 

[Fyldewhite]

Our 5-day member seniors only have 1, or very occasionally 2, qualifiers available to them per month, and most of them wouldn't put in a supplementary card. They are generally the preserve of keen young members who are trying to get their handicaps down!

In contrast, our seniors have a comp every Tuesday which is qualifying approx Apr-Oct. The club has a Wednesday Comp May-Sep......around 45-50 rounds in total available. The seniors day is very well supported with anywhere between 20-70 playing depending on conditions and time of year (probably >50 most weeks in summer). Surely there's an appetite at most clubs for a similar calendar? Why don't the seniors get together and sort something? May be surprised how popular it is.