Change to US style slope system from current CSS

[garyinderry]

Fair enough. I thought everything had to be recorded.


Still have some reservations as I will play alot differently on the back 9 of a friendly game with my mate who is 3 up compared to how I would play on a normal comp day. chances are my scores would be shocking. I could be one under handicap and be 3 down and have to push to try and catch my mate. This would lead also lead to poorer scores and false handicaps.

This is just one example. I am sure there are many more.

 

[the_coach]

http://www.usga.org/Handicapping/understanding-your-handicap-index.html

http://www.usga.org/videos/2013/05/31/math-behind-a-handicap-index-2424004729001.html

[url]http://www.usga.org/articles/2015/11/key-changes-to-handicap-system-for-2016.html
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[duncan mackie]

Speaking to people in Congu whilst slope will be introduced over the next decade

Don't expect to go the whole hog and have every round count

My only expectations are that we will have a worldwide course rating system in place that theoretically enables players from any of the main handicapping systems to compete via a simple calculation. As this pretty much exists now, but most associations are over protective and fiddle things, this shouldn't be difficult!
However, the practical barriers to enabling a single handicap system within the current timescales for rating (in the UK) are less than being made out (IMO); technology is moving so fast that the concept of managing individual lifetime identities and logging people on and off courses anywhere in the world in real time simply won't be the issue it currently seems (in 10 years time).

Control and money will be the true barriers; with those impacted throwing up issues left right and centre!

 

[IanG]

http://www.usga.org/Handicapping/understanding-your-handicap-index.html

http://www.usga.org/videos/2013/05/31/math-behind-a-handicap-index-2424004729001.html

http://www.usga.org/articles/2015/11/key-changes-to-handicap-system-for-2016.html

Thanks for that I found the answer to my questions in Section 4 which tells you what to do in various scenarios, rather that me paraphrasing, reading the USGA link below is the easiest way to get the right answer

http://www.usga.org/Handicapping/handicap-manual.html#!rule-14377

 

[Fyldewhite]

That's practice not a "round" :thup:

So do a lot of "Rounds" turn into practice rounds after a 7, 6 start?? In my earlier post I was interested to find out how these are managed by the club but it got sidetracked. Do players have to register that they intend to do a "Round" before they set off (like our current supplementary system)? If not, then surely a lot of rounds that could/should be recorded won't be? Understand how the system is supposed to work but more interested in how it works at a more practical level.

 

[MadAdey]

I don't know what goes into rating a course for the USGA system, but why will it take 10 years to implement? Surely they just need to get out there and sort it.

Once it's done, use the best 5 from the last 10 cards to work out new handicaps and then go from there.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't know what goes into rating a course for the USGA system, but why will it take 10 years to implement? Surely they just need to get out there and sort it.

Once it's done, use the best 5 from the last 10 cards to work out new handicaps and then go from there.

Who will pay for the rating to be done ?

Some courses don't even have separate SSS for each tee at the moment and they need people to do the rating - it's not a process and I'm not sure if it's 100% going to happen - especially the HC effected on each round

 

[garyinderry]

So do a lot of "Rounds" turn into practice rounds after a 7, 6 start?? In my earlier post I was interested to find out how these are managed by the club but it got sidetracked. Do players have to register that they intend to do a "Round" before they set off (like our current supplementary system)? If not, then surely a lot of rounds that could/should be recorded won't be? Understand how the system is supposed to work but more interested in how it works at a more practical level.

Good post.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Once it's done, use the best 5 from the last 10 cards to work out new handicaps and then go from there.

Ooh, I'm 2.2 - bring it on! I think!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ooh, I'm 2.2 - bring it on! I think!

My best 5 from the last ten rounds

Relative to par

1 under , 2 under level , 1 over , 1 over

So by that system am I scratch ?!

 

[upsidedown]

So do a lot of "Rounds" turn into practice rounds after a 7, 6 start?? In my earlier post I was interested to find out how these are managed by the club but it got sidetracked. Do players have to register that they intend to do a "Round" before they set off (like our current supplementary system)? If not, then surely a lot of rounds that could/should be recorded won't be? Understand how the system is supposed to work but more interested in how it works at a more practical level.

At my club in NZ we had a computer terminal outside the pro shop where you entered your id number and it then printed out your scorecard out so presume there is a way that the club can check up that you actually returned that card, they are numbered.
I used to play in Weds and weekend comps and those cards would be returned as normal. I also used to play a bounce game on a Monday morning with my mate and we'd both put our cards in for this.
However sometimes we didn't bother with cards if it was blowing a nor wester ( gale) / frosty or were only doing 9 . Was also the case when playing of an evening after work.

I suspect I was typical as I saw other players also returning cards on non comp days.

 

[upsidedown]

My best 5 from the last ten rounds

Relative to par

1 under , 2 under level , 1 over , 1 over

So by that system am I scratch ?!

Yup That'd be right In my experience it is 2-3 shots lower than a CONGU handicap

 

[MadAdey]

My best 5 from the last ten rounds

Relative to par

1 under , 2 under level , 1 over , 1 over

So by that system am I scratch ?!

And that is why the USGA system is better IMO. It is a better reflection on how someone is currently playing. Not how they have been playing over the last year.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yup That'd be right In my experience it is 2-3 shots lower than a CONGU handicap

Well that will be interesting

 

[FairwayDodger]

Yup That'd be right In my experience it is 2-3 shots lower than a CONGU handicap

So is it just your score relative to par regardless of the course (and it's difficulty) you are playing?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

At my club in NZ we had a computer terminal outside the pro shop where you entered your id number and it then printed out your scorecard out so presume there is a way that the club can check up that you actually returned that card, they are numbered.
I used to play in Weds and weekend comps and those cards would be returned as normal. I also used to play a bounce game on a Monday morning with my mate and we'd both put our cards in for this.
However sometimes we didn't bother with cards if it was blowing a nor wester ( gale) / frosty or were only doing 9 . Was also the case when playing of an evening after work.

I suspect I was typical as I saw other players also returning cards on non comp days.

What I have seen over the last couple of years is more and more people are more interested in just playing social golf - they aren't bothered about comps etc

Add in every round effecting your HC and IMO it will have a detrimental effect to golf and participation.

 

[MadAdey]

Yup That'd be right In my experience it is 2-3 shots lower than a CONGU handicap

You are spot on there. If I was still in the UK my handicap would probably be around 5 or 6. But as a reflection on how I am playing then 3 is about correct.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And that is why the USGA system is better IMO. It is a better reflection on how someone is currently playing. Not how they have been playing over the last year.

But then because you have people knowing their HC will be effective every game because the same pace as a medal - poor

 

[upsidedown]

So is it just your score relative to par regardless of the course (and it's difficulty) you are playing?

If I understand you correctly , yes it was relative to the slope of my home course . If my home course was more difficult I think it would be still 2-3 shots.

 

[upsidedown]

You are spot on there. If I was still in the UK my handicap would probably be around 5 or 6. But as a reflection on how I am playing then 3 is about correct.

I was 3 in NZ , so yes