Hacker Khan
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Is your twitter feed just a relentless barrage of increasingly right wing commentators? Or do you just treat us to the edited highlights?
BLM protests/ Riots.
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Is your twitter feed just a relentless barrage of increasingly right wing commentators? Or do you just treat us to the edited highlights?
Ah great, you know him and he has a first name! Cant be an awful joke with racist undertones then. Glad you can clear up what he meant for him.
Having seen his later posts where he had the option of going 'hands up, badly worded attempt at humour' or double down and shout louder and having chose the latter, I'm not so sure I'd be so quick to rush to his defence in future.
Anyway I'm out on this, broke my rule not to read through divisive threads
On the actual topic at hand, anyone caught or proven to have acted unlawfully should face prosecution. All they've done is undermine the cause and given the media the opportunity to appeal to populism by diverting the news story instead of holding up a mirror to society and challenging why the protests are happening.
MegaSteve
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Thought the Mayor of Bristol spoke well on the weekend's events...
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You'll not likely reply but i agree fully re your second point.
Re the first. I'd know his name if I'd not played golf with him as I'd seen it mentioned on here. As I'd also seen him make mention of his thoughts on "the great unwashed". In his later posts he said nothing else that suggested racism. He may think little of faux protesters. But he's said nothing derogatory to race. But feel free to enjoy the moral high ground you've taken for yourself.
The only racist undertones are the ones you’ve decided are in that post.
In case you didn’t notice there were white people rioting as well and my post didn’t mention colour!
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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I support the cause - but in the current environment I feel the marches were inappropriate.
We desperately need the pandemic to be under control for health, NHS and economic reasons. There are very many people whose lives are on hold at the moment and heading into serious financial and personal difficulties - if not already there - because of the virtual closure of the service economy, food, hospitality, entertainment and leisure sectors.
And just so we all realise what living on Universal Credit and an element of furlough in a zero hours contact means - for this month my son has got just over £800 (UC + furlough) to cover ALL of his outgoings and to live. And his rent is £535 / month. He has about £275 for the month for all other bills, gas and electricity, and food. Try thinking about how you'd cope having to live on that - let's not think that those on UC and furlough are having it easy. He is desperate to get back to work but there is absolutely no way that that is going to happen whilst the infection rate measure remains anywhere close to 1. So in my eyes the BLM demonstrators are, in the current environment, irresponsible, and frankly, no more than deluded and selfish.
I don't even know what they are trying to achieve by demonstrating day after day. I just don't.
Just to compound things, by demonstrating repeatedly the marches give greater opportunity to those who simply wish to perpetrate violence and create chaos to do so. And of course we find today the pulling down of the statue (in other circumstances I might I'm not have been that bothered that it was pulled down - it should have been moved years ago) and violence against the police taking the headlines for the press - and giving the government opportunity to avoid talking about what they are trying to do in respect of the pandemic - what they need to be doing - and doing better. And not a lot about BLM and George Floyd.
You wanna change things? - get rid of this rotten government as soon as we have the opportunity.
We desperately need the pandemic to be under control for health, NHS and economic reasons. There are very many people whose lives are on hold at the moment and heading into serious financial and personal difficulties - if not already there - because of the virtual closure of the service economy, food, hospitality, entertainment and leisure sectors.
And just so we all realise what living on Universal Credit and an element of furlough in a zero hours contact means - for this month my son has got just over £800 (UC + furlough) to cover ALL of his outgoings and to live. And his rent is £535 / month. He has about £275 for the month for all other bills, gas and electricity, and food. Try thinking about how you'd cope having to live on that - let's not think that those on UC and furlough are having it easy. He is desperate to get back to work but there is absolutely no way that that is going to happen whilst the infection rate measure remains anywhere close to 1. So in my eyes the BLM demonstrators are, in the current environment, irresponsible, and frankly, no more than deluded and selfish.
I don't even know what they are trying to achieve by demonstrating day after day. I just don't.
Just to compound things, by demonstrating repeatedly the marches give greater opportunity to those who simply wish to perpetrate violence and create chaos to do so. And of course we find today the pulling down of the statue (in other circumstances I might I'm not have been that bothered that it was pulled down - it should have been moved years ago) and violence against the police taking the headlines for the press - and giving the government opportunity to avoid talking about what they are trying to do in respect of the pandemic - what they need to be doing - and doing better. And not a lot about BLM and George Floyd.
You wanna change things? - get rid of this rotten government as soon as we have the opportunity.
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Hacker Khan
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To possibly change the embedded racial inequality in society today, especially in countries increasingly being run by right wing popularist leaders?
Foxholer
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I think more than that happened - chucked in the river and (sympolically) drowned?
I'm not normally in favour of removing such memorials (as, to me, it actually hides history) but happy to make an exception in this case. It doesn't alter the fact that Bristol became a major city because of its association with the slave trade and slave traders!
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There is so many things wrong with that post it’s hard to know where to start , even more so when you are a man of the faith
1. The fact you have tried to bring the current government into it - racism and persecution has been around through every single government going , “getting rid of the government” won’t change anything- so you are using it to post your own personal message
2. Do you seriously not know what they are demonstrating about ? Really ? I expected you to at least be able to understand the message they are trying to pass around -
3. Deluded and Selfish ?! Really - trying to find a way to educate and remove as much persecution and racist behaviour is deluded and selfish ?!
4. I’m not sure why you are ranting about Universal Credit and your sons situation - that’s nothing to do with this and that’s your issue to deal with that to constantly broadcast across the forum.
we all know your issues with the government, be honest with yourself and see that when you post about the virus there is always the bias towards pointing fingers at the government and your rant against the protest once again is biased towards the current government.
SocketRocket
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Bristol was a major City before the slave trade. John Cabot sailed in the Mathew from Bristol in the 15th centuary funded by Bristol merchants and founded mainland America, the City was already a thriving centre for trade.
If the statue was to be removed that should be the job of the City council, not mob rule.
Old Skier
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Once again the biggest paragraph is on your family problems. Just because you have a son that doesn't seem to be able to cope with the every day problems that millions of other people have to deal with doesn't make it racist.
Which government, there have been many governments of the year who could be accused of not properly addressing the situation but you point your finger at a government you don't like because they don't meet all your sons financial demands. PS get his girlfriend to help as she allegedly lives with him.
Fade and Die
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A lot of city’s in Britain became rich because of the slave trade, back when having slaves was acceptable.
But in 1833 Britain used 40% of the Tresurey’s income to buy the freedom of all the slaves in the Empire. Britain borrowed so much money to enact the Slave Abolition Act that the sum was only finally repaid in 2015!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833
Old Skier
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Always fascinating to hear the views of those who come from country's who have and still are abusing and mistreating the indigenous people. We all have problems whether it be inequality or racism. Should the statues of those responsible for making your country great be removed as they achieved it to the detriment of the locals.
Question not a dig or a critism of your post.
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I’m guessing you are only going to post the negative incidents
It appears that the demonstrations around the country were largely peaceful
It also has started off those model citizens Nigel Farage , Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson
The countless threads out there are showing exactly why people are marching all over the world.
Foxholer
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Well it didn't actually become a city until mid 16th century, though it was a major port. But agreed, I should probably have stated 'source of major wealth'. Slave trading from Bristol actually started before Cabot/Caboto/Chabotto made his journey!
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Maybe it is time to stop talking about 200+ years ago and really focus on folk who break the law right now. Most of us will have witnessed racist behaviour, heard racist remarks and what did you actually do about it?
Change that.
Change that.
drdel
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A personal view.
I have been to school, college, University and employed and being employed by various people from ethnic backgrounds. I have taught, have many friends and also had personal relationships with people who were not Caucasians, I'm a godfather to a foreign person.
I would never knowing discriminate against anyone.
However I worry that as white person there is now the assumption I am racist but don't know it. Moreover it now seems to be acceptable to make racist anti-white statements with impunity.
There are areas of the UK I would not visit. I have worked with companies that discriminate against white people and only employ members of their own ethnicity. Other employers dare not employ/promote a white person if a minority candidate is in the list
There is a danger that the desire is not for equality but positive discrimination.
We need an open balanced debate about equality.
I have been to school, college, University and employed and being employed by various people from ethnic backgrounds. I have taught, have many friends and also had personal relationships with people who were not Caucasians, I'm a godfather to a foreign person.
I would never knowing discriminate against anyone.
However I worry that as white person there is now the assumption I am racist but don't know it. Moreover it now seems to be acceptable to make racist anti-white statements with impunity.
There are areas of the UK I would not visit. I have worked with companies that discriminate against white people and only employ members of their own ethnicity. Other employers dare not employ/promote a white person if a minority candidate is in the list
There is a danger that the desire is not for equality but positive discrimination.
We need an open balanced debate about equality.
Foxholer
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Notably with the exception of those of the notorious East India Company (and the less beneficial Ceylon and St Helena) that provide immense wealth for Britain!
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If you can't use the extreme behaviour of one group as representative of the whole, why can you of the other?
Note how I've worded this. I can see examples of both sides of this in the thread. Therein lies the challenge.
Note how I've worded this. I can see examples of both sides of this in the thread. Therein lies the challenge.
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