BLM protests/ Riots.

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Hacker Khan said:
No there is not, however everyone should occasionally kind of audit where they are with regards to the current societal norms and progress that is made. It's just that when people in the current climate start bleating on about white people getting discriminated against, can you not see it looks a bit 'silly'?

Yes I am sure it is the case that white people have been discriminated against. But on balance I think we have got off relatively well over the last few hundred years. So perhaps first address the biggest issues with the inequalities black people suffer in society. And then if white people are being targeted and racially profiled then we can start a white lives matter march.
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I refer you to my previous post and ask you to explain in non emotional language exactly what are these inequalities black people suffer in our society and what we should be doing to eradicate them. I am getting tired of being labelled as the cause of inequalities people dont seem to be able to clarify.
 
SocketRocket said:
Really. He has been the Mayor of Bristol since May 2016, if he had problems with Colston's statue why didnt he have it removed to the city museum already. I notice he is saying he will have it recovered and moved to the museum now at much greater cost
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Yes, really... Wouldn't know if it was in his remit to make such a decision as removing Colston's statue... Decision has now been taken out of his hands...
 
MegaSteve said:
Yes, really... Wouldn't know if it was in his remit to make such a decision as removing Colston's statue... Decision has now been taken out of his hands...
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Hes the Executive Mayor of Bristol, if hes not the person to have the statue removed then who is, do you suggest the decision of mob rule to do it is correct . He seems capable to be making the decision to have it recovered from the dock and moved to the city museum
 
SocketRocket said:
I refer you to my previous post and ask you to explain in non emotional language exactly what are these inequalities black people suffer in our society and what we should be doing to eradicate them. I am getting tired of being labelled as the cause of inequalities people dont seem to be able to clarify.
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Ghetto's - living conditions/ education etc.
Stop and search figures suggest black people are searched much more than white people. There's two quick ones.

Any who says YOU are the cause is clearly an idiot. (unless you're a racist). And if you genuinely can't see that, you're a fool yourself. Just remember theres years of pain and anger behind these messages, you can give some the benefit of the doubt and cut them some slack.
 
SocketRocket said:
I refer you to my previous post and ask you to explain in non emotional language exactly what are these inequalities black people suffer in our society and what we should be doing to eradicate them. I am getting tired of being labelled as the cause of inequalities people dont seem to be able to clarify.
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I don’t believe anyone has labelled you anything

Do you believe that black people are treated the same as white people ?

Forget about these “opportunities” you are talking , it’s not about what opportunities are out there available to everyone

It’s how people treat someone based on their skin colour

Why do black footballers or sports stats still suffer from racial abuse from supporters ?
 
SocketRocket said:
Hes the Executive Mayor of Bristol, if hes not the person to have the statue removed then who is, do you suggest the decision of mob rule to do it is correct . He seems capable to be making the decision to have it recovered from the dock and moved to the city museum
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Hopefully decision making for a city the size of Bristol fall in the remit of more than one person... The chap provided his overview of the weekend's events not just focusing on the downing of the statue...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
From what I understand - the issues with the US police are much more fundamental, and are more about the nature of the policing coming out of the origins of the police, police structures, remit and governance, with racism in much of the US police being one - perhaps most important - manifestation of that - most especially in the south where the police were set up with a primary objective being to protect the interests of slave owners.

https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/

In the South, however, the economics that drove the creation of police forces were centered not on the protection of shipping interests but on the preservation of the slavery system. Some of the primary policing institutions there were the slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts, Potter says; the first formal slave patrol had been created in the Carolina colonies in 1704. During the Civil War, the military became the primary form of law enforcement in the South, but during Reconstruction, many local sheriffs functioned in a way analogous to the earlier slave patrols, enforcing segregation and the disenfranchisement of freed slaves.
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IMO racism isn't the problem with US police, poor training, ignorance and the American culture has some impact, figures show more black police officers kill members of the black population than white officers. I suspect US police operate in a constant state of fear due to the stupid gun laws and the crazy way the police are organised.

Was the officer who shot Justin Damond a racist or a poor police officer.
 
DanFST said:
Ghetto's - living conditions/ education etc.
Stop and search figures suggest black people are searched much more than white people. There's two quick ones.

Any who says YOU are the cause is clearly an idiot. (unless you're a racist). And if you genuinely can't see that, you're a fool yourself. Just remember theres years of pain and anger behind these messages, you can give some the benefit of the doubt and cut them some slack.
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Where are the Black Ghettos in the UK, what are the living conditions that are particularly different and regarding education I fail to see where Black people are disadvantaged in the state system, many black people achieve great things through the education system. Stop and search has reduced over recent years and OK should not be used in a discriminatory manner although it cannot be disputed that there are many black gangs in inner cities that are guilty of carrying weapons and drugs and will be targeted by law enforcement, I dont believe the Police are institutionally racial.

I give everyone the benifit of doubt and have tried my very best to treat people equally.
 
another example of institutional racism in this country -

Black and Asian men are more likely to be jailed for drug dealing offences in England and Wales than white men, a study of 14,000 people suggests.
The Sentencing Council looked at the penalties received by defendants aged 26-50 for possession with intent to supply from April 2012 to March 2015.
Its analysis also found men were more likely to be jailed than women.
The council said it was seeking views on whether its sentencing guidelines could lead to discrimination.

Its study found that for possession with intent to supply a class B drug, 37% of white offenders would be expected to receive an immediate custodial sentence, compared with 46% of Asian, 44% of black and 46% of Chinese and other ethnicities.
 
SocketRocket said:
Where are the Black Ghettos in the UK, what are the living conditions that are particularly different and regarding education I fail to see where Black people are disadvantaged in the state system, many black people achieve great things through the education system. Stop and search has reduced over recent years and OK should not be used in a discriminatory manner although it cannot be disputed that there are many black gangs in inner cities that are guilty of carrying weapons and drugs and will be targeted by law enforcement, I dont believe the Police are institutionally racial.

I give everyone the benifit of doubt and have tried my very best to treat people equally.
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Large parts of Southwark and Tower hamlets (where I live) Tottenham, Enfield, Edmonton, etc... Can you honestly not see the basic disadvantages? Do you think a kid growing up in one of these areas has as much chance as succeeding as a child from Surrey?

S+S is institutionally racist. Yes black on black crime is too high, but to use a persons skin colour as a basis for a search is inherently racist. I know a fair few people that do class A drugs, I haven't seen a single one get more than a slap on the wrists. Would that happen if they were black? I'm not convinced.
 
rudebhoy said:
Really? Even though blacks are 25 times more likely to be stopped and searched than whites, according to the government's own figures?
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Just perhaps they commit more crime per capita and the local cops have the intelligence to help target their resources. Let's remember that there are a huge number of black and ethnic coppers.
 
But the stats could be lopsided if you aren't taking the same sample size.

Agreed, tough decision. (FWIW I was mugged and stabbed by a group that happened to be black last year). But I think it's really key to stay objective in this current climate.
 
rudebhoy said:
Really? Even though blacks are 25 times more likely to be stopped and searched than whites, according to the government's own figures?
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Stop and search has been reduced by two thirds since 2011. In London they have fallen from 800,000 in 2008/2009 to 130,000 in 2017/2018. It is more likely than ever to result in an arrest though, 9% resulted in arrest in 2008/9 but 17% in 2017/2018. A third of stop and searches result in positive outcomes so it looks as if they are not really abused.

Black people are four times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people, I dont know where you get twenty five more times from.
 
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