BLM protests/ Riots.

[hovis]

Other issue is Police are only being challenged / arrested for things there is video evidence of. As far as I'm aware no police officer has challenged or reported another officer for breaking the law until a video has been circulated.

Well I can't speak for America but in this country I know of mutilple sacking that have happened to police that never made it to local news. Ranging from smacking a woman's ass to telling a fellow wpc to shut up and make him a bacon sandwich!!!!!

 

[SocketRocket]

Other issue is Police are only being challenged / arrested for things there is video evidence of. As far as I'm aware no police officer has challenged or reported another officer for breaking the law until a video has been circulated.

How many taking part in the protests have reported others they saw looting damaging property and using violence.

 

[Grant85]

How many taking part in the protests have reported others they saw looting damaging property and using violence.

It's the police's job to police, not the public's job.

It is completely correct that the Police should be held to a higher standard, and the looting is a direct result of them falling far far short of that standard.

 

[Billysboots]

It's the police's job to police, not the public's job.

It is completely correct that the Police should be held to a higher standard, and the looting is a direct result of them falling far far short of that standard.

Absolute rubbish. Sorry.

Have you never heard the phrase “The police are the public, and the public are the police”? It is a virtual impossibility to police, especially in modern times, and reach successful conclusions, in the absence of public support and cooperation. One has only to look at the very obvious examples of the failure of witnesses to cooperate with an investigation to see how difficult it is to bring successful prosecutions without their engagement. The public have a pivotal role to play in policing.

And to suggest that looting is a direct result of a failure in the standard of policing is simplistic drivel.

 

[SocketRocket]

It's the police's job to police, not the public's job.

It is completely correct that the Police should be held to a higher standard, and the looting is a direct result of them falling far far short of that standard.

Oh I see, it's the Police to blame for the looting and rioting, that's a ridiculous comment, no one has the right to loot and riot, they can make peacefull protest. Also, the public have a responsibilty for law and order and reporting crime, just like the Police.

 

[hovis]

It's the police's job to police, not the public's job.

It is completely correct that the Police should be held to a higher standard, and the looting is a direct result of them falling far far short of that standard.

So next time you're getting a beating in the street I'll walk past and ignore it as its a job for the police?
I'm not sure how to comment about the looting being a result of the police short fall. I'm actually troubled by that comment. I'm sure you wouldn't hold that opinion if it was your family business.
You haven't got a new 60 inch lcd TV by any chance have you?

 

[Blue in Munich]

So who polices them?

The guys who watched while their colleague strangled a black man to death?

Well, all 4 have been sacked (prior to a trial) & charged with either murder or aiding and abetting murder, so it sounds like they are being policed by the police department that used to employ them. It appears that one of those charged with aiding & abetting the murder was a rookie whose TO was Derek Chauvin; I wonder how many of those criticising from behind a keyboard would have the testicular fortitude to stand up to, or ignore orders from, their TO 4 days into the real world?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52969205

The division who threatened to resign when 2 colleagues were charged with assault following pushing an elderly gentleman to the ground?

Police them for what? They resigned their position in the riot squad in support of their colleagues, who have been charged with assault; what exactly do they need policing for? They appear to have exercised lawful employment rights.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52945190

The problem is that the police have to be beyond reproach, and when they so clearly aren't, there are no such thing as a 'crime' any more.

The police are members of the public who perform a role. When they they overstep the bounds of their authority they are subject to the sanction of the same laws that they normally uphold. To say there is no such thing as a crime anymore is utter tosh.

 

[PNWokingham]

It's the police's job to police, not the public's job.

It is completely correct that the Police should be held to a higher standard, and the looting is a direct result of them falling far far short of that standard.

that is a joke of a comment with no basis. We heave one of the best police forces in the world where racism, bullying, corruption is extremely low. We should be supporting our police force absolutely against the mindlless thugs that have caused violence, property damage , theft and whatever else - and in the process diverting attention from the worthy cause of promoting equality - and on this subject, again, we are a beacon and surely one of the best counries in the world, where racism is abhorent to probably 99.9% of the population

 

[drdel]

So the recommendations are that we should boycott tea, (Yorkshire tea &Tetley) in support of BLM.

I am sure all the tea growers and pickers will understand and agree while they sit around jobless.

I also see no mention of the exploitation of black migrants from North Africa in the vast greenhouses of southern Spain who work under appalling conditions while protected by the EU workers rights

 

[Lord Tyrion]

For this to

So the recommendations are that we should boycott tea, (Yorkshire tea &Tetley) in support of BLM.

I am sure all the tea growers and pickers will understand and agree while they sit around jobless.

I also see no mention of the exploitation of black migrants from North Africa in the vast greenhouses of southern Spain who work under appalling conditions while protected by the EU workers rights

Don't mess with my cup of tea

Great response from Yorkshire Tea to a woman who was having a go at them, 'please don't buy our tea again'.

 

[Beezerk]

So the recommendations are that we should boycott tea, (Yorkshire tea &Tetley) in support of BLM.

The sad thing for me is, I'm no longer surprised when things like this hit the news.

 

[bluewolf]

So the recommendations are that we should boycott tea, (Yorkshire tea &Tetley) in support of BLM.

Are you sure about this one? This isn’t what I’ve seen on social media, but I’m not the type who sits on Twitter (or this forum) all day..

 

[GreiginFife]

So the recommendations are that we should boycott tea, (Yorkshire tea &Tetley) in support of BLM.

I am sure all the tea growers and pickers will understand and agree while they sit around jobless.

I also see no mention of the exploitation of black migrants from North Africa in the vast greenhouses of southern Spain who work under appalling conditions while protected by the EU workers rights

Think you've got this one a bit back for elbow. The legend goes thusly.

Some "far right blogger" (read, nutbar) tweeted that she was happy Yorkshire Tea WASN'T supporting BLM. Then YT came on and shot her down (gloriously too). PG Tips waded in with solidaritea support for their Tyke brethren and also shot down the nutbar. Tetley, meanwhile were nowhere to be seen (so we might consider them complicit in this far right conspiracy by their silence).

TLDR, we should boycott Yorkshire Tea for being IN support of BLM. (If we are a bunch of racist crackers)

 

[drdel]

Think you've got this one a bit back for elbow. The legend goes thusly.

Some "far right blogger" (read, nutbar) tweeted that she was happy Yorkshire Tea WASN'T supporting BLM. Then YT came on and shot her down (gloriously too). PG Tips waded in with solidaritea support for their Tyke brethren and also shot down the nutbar. Tetley, meanwhile were nowhere to be seen (so we might consider them complicit in this far right conspiracy by their silence).

TLDR, we should boycott Yorkshire Tea for being IN support of BLM. (If we are a bunch of racist crackers)

Sarcasm

 

[DanFST]

That would be a waste of resources, The majority of violent crime in London appears to be young black kids under 21 killing young black kids under 21. And you get told that this is because they are in poverty because they are discriminated against. Is it really only black people in poverty? because last time I walked through parts of Tower Hamlets I see many Asian people also in poverty and dont get me started about the supposed white privileged people living in places like Grays, Tilbury and Purfleet!

Interesting that your picture is that, then you post that ****.

S+S is for drugs, stolen property AND weapons. In my time in The City and Canary Wharf. I Have never seen a S+S take place, despite their being a huge amount of class A drugs. Why is that? There would be huge amount of arrests, and the drug cartels would loose billions. But no one cares about us rich white guys.


No one said it was only blacks in poverty. But its good when you walked around Tower Hamlets it was only those lighter brown people in poverty......

 

[IanM]

and the looting is a direct result of them falling far far short of that standard.

...thank goodness for that, I thought it was lawless crims taking advantage of a situation in order to steal.

 

[Fade and Die]

Interesting that your picture is that, then you post that ****.

S+S is for drugs, stolen property AND weapons. In my time in The City and Canary Wharf. I Have never seen a S+S take place, despite their being a huge amount of class A drugs. Why is that? There would be huge amount of arrests, and the drug cartels would loose billions. But no one cares about us rich white guys.


No one said it was only blacks in poverty. But its good when you walked around Tower Hamlets it was only those lighter brown people in poverty......

Not sure why you have gone on the attack like that I just have a differing view?
The rich white guys you refer to are users but the police aren’t too interested in them it’s the supply side which can lead to organised crime and violence.
Anyway my point about poor Asians and whites was in response to your comment “There are systematic problems that Black communities face here” but they are the same problems that the Asian community faces but they are not rioting and trying to destroy their community.

Btw great place the Isle of Dogs, a mix of Black, White, Asian and Chinese all pretty much getting along.?

 

[drdel]

We might note that there are a vast number of white people that are in poverty through no fault of their own.

 

[SocketRocket]

We might note that there are a vast number of white people that are in poverty through no fault of their own.

I'm fairly sure many of the problems these communities face are due to the breakdown of the family unit and particularly Fathers that leave their children and fail to support them, this seems to be endemic in black communities. Is it no surprise that so many young black people turn to gangs and crime. In saying this it's also a big problem with white families. As a country we need to fully understand why these issues are happening and work to make these young peoples lives matter, whatever colour or race.

 

[Wolf]

I'm fairly sure many of the problems these communities face are due to the breakdown of the family unit and particularly Fathers that leave their children and fail to support them, this seems to be endemic in black communities. Is it no surprise that so many young black people turn to gangs and crime. In saying this it's also a big problem with white families. As a country we need to fully understand why these issues are happening and work to make these young peoples lives matter, whatever colour or race.

I'm sorry but there is so much wrong with that generalisation of any family unit that breaks down supposedly being the fault of absent fathers or fathers that don't provide thus creating poverty. It's one of those stats that is sadly easily and often skewed to show that the lack of father or child support is the issue.

I can use myself as an example 39 years old (so I guess that makes me middle aged white male) our family unit broke down because my ex liked to perform exercise on her back with other men, yet I have never missed a payment to my kids, always fought to see them and yet.... If you look at the stats where mothers get polled about child support and absent fathers im firmly in there as being a waste of space father that never sees his kids and never provides for them. Why is that? Because their mother often stops access and complains all over social media that I do nothing, provide nothing and am not interested in my kids, the silly cow has even said those things to my kids. What's her reason for doing this well I have my guesses and its nothing to do with lack of support or absent parenting. I even know of a fellow forummer that's been through similar, dads whether black, white, Asian or otherwise often get bad press and blame for lack of direction of children and whilst yes there are some arseholes out there, there are equally as many poor mothers doing nothing to bring the children up, support them or guide them and preventing contact of dad's with their kids but they don't get the bad press because 90% of the time they get custody just because they're female so the blame gets pushed unfairly back on the father even when they've done nothing wrong and just want to be involved..


I should also add in my case its not lack of provision by me to her, but her own ineptitude to budget and cut her cloth accordingly but only buys big brand names clothing, overly expensive holidays each, year etc yet never seems to have money to put food on table so i get asked for more every single month. This is happening everywhere in UK with broken families not just mine, people need to learn to live to their means stop getting things on tick then missing payments they can't afford thus creating further debt and poverty at home.

Sorry but that statement hit a nerve with me and its generalisation like that which need to stop and all parents to be accountable for actions of their children. Inequality of fathers rights also needs addressing to help prevent the idea that its absent fathers that are solely to blame in break down of family units.