BLM protests/ Riots.

[funkycoldmedina]

They had Riot Police in reserve, seriously think about what you and others are “accussing” our Met Police of?
Do you really believe those at the top are risking the lives of their Coppers on the Front Line?

That's the narrative now and my god those on the right will be sticking to it.
It also helps that when arguing this point you don't have to discuss the justifiable issues faced by minorities in the UK.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That's the narrative now and my god those on the right will be sticking to it.
It also helps that when arguing this point you don't have to discuss the justifiable issues faced by minorities in the UK.

Exactly and still no one can answer why the Veterans or the FLA even had to go to London last weekend.
Their behaviour has dropped off the radar.

 

[drdel]

Exactly and still no one can answer why the Veterans or the FLA even had to go to London last weekend.
Their behaviour has dropped off the radar.

There is a massive difference in the merits of the cause underpinning BLM and protests and the rights and wrongs of the various demonstrations at this tjme of a pandemic.

All I, and I think many others, have tried to hghlight is the (IMO) inbalance in the Police approach. The Police Oath specifically requires neutrality in the application of the law.

There are current SD recommendations on group gatherings yet these have not been enforced.

It appears that neutrality has not been maintained. One group is shown deference and standoff treatment while "get stuck in" appears to be the approach to others.

I respect you think differently but IMO the frequency of your posts containing increasingly forceful put-downs and rightwing leftwing insults are distracting from the moral cause and the debate.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There is a massive difference in the merits of the cause underpinning BLM and protests and the rights and wrongs of the various demonstrations at this tjme of a pandemic.

All I, and I think many others, have tried to hghlight is the (IMO) inbalance in the Police approach. The Police Oath specifically requires neutrality in the application of the law.

There are current SD recommendations on group gatherings yet these have not been enforced.

It appears that neutrality has not been maintained. One group is shown deference and standoff treatment while "get stuck in" appears to be the approach to others.

I respect you think differently but IMO the frequency of your posts containing increasingly forceful put-downs and rightwing leftwing insults are distracting from the moral cause and the debate.

I have condemned all marches, I have condemned the violence and extremism on both sides, I have openly admitted I hold some racist views, but obviously all of that is ignored.

You, and others are critisizing the Police with hindsight, were where these criticisms after the BLM March? There were none, so when the Police realise they made errors and prepare for the Veterans and FLA turning up they are accussed of having a different approach, what did want the Police to do? Take another battering and risk more injured Officers?

As for your final paragraph, that stinks of absolute double standards, were are you when SILH is being jumped on, or the tory supporters are all over Abbott or Corbyn or the posters who had absolutely nothing but one word comments with no explanation or a smart ass joke etc.

Did you defend Kaz when the bald old racist comment was took out of context?

Sadly the right of centre on the forum don’t like themselves being questioned.

Have a look at this thread at the posters who commented on this thread about the BLM March and the violence who have strangely stayed quiet and made no comment about the Veteran/FLA violence.

I’m happy to debate with anyone and challenge any views/posts within forum rules, unlike others I won’t hide behind the keyboard.

 

[Old Skier]

Why are some so keen to label those on here who don't agree with the demonstrations conducted by the BLM group as either racist or right wing fanatics. More police were injured in the previous week than this weekend and some are pretending that there weren't people in the BLM group who went with one intention and one intention only which made them no better than the racists who caused the problems this weekend.

The demos this weekend were a disgrace but, and it was obvious that there would be the ultra right there, why didn't BLM stay away thereby assisting the police in there job rather than joining in the violent clashes.

As to the veterans being there, not the best move but if people bother to read reports circulated on multi media, from those that were there then the majority held a small protest at the cenotaph and then were escorted from the cenotaph to the guards memorial, they then returned peacefully to the cenotaph before dispersing. Was it sensible, no, were there a few veterans disgracing their service, yes.

 

[drdel]

I have condemned all marches, I have condemned the violence and extremism on both sides, I have openly admitted I hold some racist views, but obviously all of that is ignored.

You, and others are critisizing the Police with hindsight (1), were where these criticisms after the BLM March? There were none, so when the Police realise they made errors and prepare for the Veterans and FLA turning up they are accussed of having a different approach, what did want the Police to do? Take another battering and risk more injured Officers?

As for your final paragraph, that stinks of absolute double standards, (2) were are you when SILH is being jumped on, or the tory supporters are all over Abbott or Corbyn or the posters who had absolutely nothing but one word comments with no explanation or a smart ass joke etc.

Did you defend Kaz when the bald old racist comment was took out of context?

Sadly the right of centre on the forum don’t like themselves being questioned.

Have a look at this thread at the posters who commented on this thread about the BLM March and the violence who have strangely stayed quiet and made no comment about the Veteran/FLA violence.

I’m happy to debate with anyone and challenge any views/posts within forum rules, unlike others I won’t hide behind the keyboard (3).

1. Since I did not have access to a crystal ball for prior warning of the incidents I could only past commenent post event.
2. Unfortunately this is IMO a rant which is demonstrating underlying anger towards the opinion I gave. How on earth the post to which you reply is related to SILH, Tories, Abbott or Corbyn I have no idea unless it is meant to be a scatter gun insult against others.
3. I think your comments suggest otherwise, as for hiding behind a keyboard - I will be intrgued as to how that will work on a web based Forum.

I'll not bother you further.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

1. Since I did not have access to a crystal ball for prior warning of the incidents I could only past commenent post event.
2. Unfortunately this is IMO a rant which is demonstrating underlying anger towards the opinion I gave. How on earth the post to which you reply is related to SILH, Tories, Abbott or Corbyn I have no idea unless it is meant to be a scatter gun insult against others.
3. I think your comments suggest otherwise, as for hiding behind a keyboard - I will be intrgued as to how that will work on a web based Forum.

I'll not bother you further.

1. You are judging both incidents as one, you don’t have a crystal ball, but yet you expected the Police to have one.

2. My point on the double standard is the fact I believe you are playing me and not my posts, my comment is not directed at anyone else merely pointing out that when others have behaved similar to myself on other subjects you have remained quiet and failed to call out the same behaviour on them.

3. People on here make comments and disappear, it’s not how’d they would behave face to face, I see no difference, if you or anyone feels big enough to make a post, then be big enough to justify it and don’t run away.

 

[Trapdraw]

The violence on both weekends was wrong, but for the police to expect none or very little on the first weekend was naive at best.

 

[Old Skier]

The violence on both weekends was wrong, but for the police to expect none or very little on the first weekend was naive at best.

They expected some and had enough officers suitably attired, a quick google search will show it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

They expected some and had enough officers suitably attired, a quick google search will show it.

Thank you, all I have said from the beginning and some have refused to accept it.

 

[Pin-seeker]

https://m.thechronicle.com.au/news/gervais-skewers-cringe-worthy-celeb-vid/4036100/

 

[Old Skier]

And this is what happens when both extremes of the political spectrum decide they are the arbiter of what is right and wrong

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-53089528

Personally I'd like to see all religious symbols removed from public spaces but that's a personal view and I'm not going around with a sledgehammer.

 

[Hacker Khan]

And this is what happens when both extremes of the political spectrum decide they are the arbiter of what is right and wrong

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-53089528

Personally I'd like to see all religious symbols removed from public spaces but that's a personal view and I'm not going around with a sledgehammer.

Looks like we've finally found the part of the venn diagram where fans of 19th Century Victorian Novelists and Football Hooligans intersect. 2020, what a time to be alive.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1272790032244490240

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Personally many historical unpleasant actions are intertwined with later good actions. I think it’s time to draw a line under the past and concentrate on moving forward with full equality as we should have already.

 

[SocketRocket]

Personally many historical unpleasant actions are intertwined with later good actions. I think it’s time to draw a line under the past and concentrate on moving forward with full equality as we should have already.

Dont we have full equality already, I do know what your suggesting but the problem is in a minority of peoples minds so how do we move forward.

 

[rudebhoy]

Looks like we've finally found the part of the venn diagram where fans of 19th Century Victorian Novelists and Football Hooligans intersect. 2020, what a time to be alive.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1272790032244490240

'ere, Reg, why we protecting some bloke in a dress?

 

[Fade and Die]

The Atlanta police officer who shot and killed Rayshard Brooks was fired by the Atlanta police department following what officials called the “unjustified” killing.

The body cam footage recorded that incidents interactions and it's hard after viewing it, not to conclude that the only reason Rayshard Brooks ass is dead, is because of Rayshard Brooks.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

The Atlanta police officer who shot and killed Rayshard Brooks was fired by the Atlanta police department following what officials called the “unjustified” killing.

The body cam footage recorded that incidents interactions and it's hard after viewing it, not to conclude that the only reason Rayshard Brooks ass is dead, is because of Rayshard Brooks.

Wow, if that's your conclusion from watching that then thank god you're not policing us with a gun.
He was hammered, resisted arrest, tried running away, got tapered, didn't work so they shot him as far as I could make out. They didn't even chase him for very long. I wonder how our police would have dealt with that

 

[Blue in Munich]

Wow, if that's your conclusion from watching that then thank god you're not policing us with a gun.
He was hammered, resisted arrest, tried running away, got tapered, didn't work so they shot him as far as I could make out. They didn't even chase him for very long. I wonder how our police would have dealt with that

Maybe watch a little closer then; he took the taser off one of the officers and tried to use it on one of them.

Do you think that incident happens if he doesn't do what he did then?

 

[Old Skier]

Wow, if that's your conclusion from watching that then thank god you're not policing us with a gun.
He was hammered, resisted arrest, tried running away, got tapered, didn't work so they shot him as far as I could make out. They didn't even chase him for very long. I wonder how our police would have dealt with that

That's the problem with policing with a gun in a country where so many people carry them. I presume you meant tasered, Brooks fired the taser, or tried. Still wrong but he could have avoided it.