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I only saw this for the first time this morning, but the FBI have the iPhone that belonged to the San Bernardino terrorists that killed 14 people and injured another 22.

Apple have refused to help unlock it and the FBI are in the process of taking them to court over it.

The little bit I read today said the FBI think they might be able to do it without Apple's help, and if they do, Apple want them to reveal how they did it so they can close the vulnerability.

Other IT companies such as Google and Microsoft are in support of Apple's case.

Am I going mad? The short version of my thoughts are "this is terrorism - all bets are off".

Thoughts?
 
It says some rude words but this is worth a look as the situation may not be as clear cut as it seems.

[video=youtube_share;Ug2Yvftbjzk]https://youtu.be/Ug2Yvftbjzk[/video]
 
this particular instance relates to an alleged terrorism act- i believe Apple's stance is 'where does it then end?'

If I terrorised you and and your family (in the name of religion or not) should the FBI or similar bodies be allowed to infringe my privacy laws or personal property - its all very "American lawyers waiting to launch civil lawsuits" and little to do with national/personal security
 
super hans said:
this particular instance relates to an alleged terrorism act- i believe Apple's stance is 'where does it then end?'

If I terrorised you and and your family (in the name of religion or not) should the FBI or similar bodies be allowed to infringe my privacy laws or personal property - its all very "American lawyers waiting to launch civil lawsuits" and little to do with national/personal security
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And also once you have created the program to get round the encryption (as current one does not exist) how do you ensure it does not fall into hands of people that would use it for no good. Would you want Russia, China, North Korea to have it? And who authorities exactly when you can use the program and when you can not?
 
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John McAfee has told the FBI exactly what they need to do to unlock the phone. It's not a difficult job for such a technically advanced organisation as the FBI. The reason they want Apple to unlock it for them is because they likely have a number of other phones they want hacking, so if Apple do it for them, they can backdoor a whole list of phones very quickly and easily without going through the process of breaking them down and taking them apart as McAfee suggested. Apple have been absolutely spot on refusing to do it for them, it sets a precedent, and if they allow backdoor access to the FBI it creates a vulnerability in their system which could be exploited through services such as Apple Pay.
 
Believe this should have all been done on the quiet and behind the scenes without anyone knowing and protecting security
 
Strange logic here...

Apple refuse to cooperate with FBI to unlock this phone.

But if the FBI do unlock it, Apple want their cooperation??

GFY should be the reply
 
Hacker Khan said:
It says some rude words but this is worth a look as the situation may not be as clear cut as it seems.

[video=youtube_share;Ug2Yvftbjzk]https://youtu.be/Ug2Yvftbjzk[/video]
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well thats 20 minutes ill never get back where very little argument was provided hidden behind some pretty lame attempts to be funny
 
super hans said:
don't you think that starts an open season on anyone and everyone Phil?
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Possibly - it's a very thin line between protecting people's rights and protecting people.

I would love Apple to allow FBI to get into the phone but then can understand Apples reluctance to allow them too
 
Robobum said:
Strange logic here...

Apple refuse to cooperate with FBI to unlock this phone.

But if the FBI do unlock it, Apple want their cooperation??

GFY should be the reply
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This was my first reaction, but I've mellowed somewhat after watching the videos.
Not sure which side I come down on now.

Apple have cooperated as much as they can (by providing iCloud backups from the phone's account) without writing software that could hack into every iPhone in the world.

If only the terrorist had the version with the fingerprint sensor. :eek:
 
I'll summarise the problem.

Do you want your bank account to be hacked by terrorists?

If Yes: Support the FBI.

If No: Support Apple.
 
Apple are treading on thin ice here IMO.

I know its a balance but in specific cases like this its not about personal security its about stopping these types of acts and this could help so is 100% justified (in this case).

Apple could have easily taken the phone and unlocked it without telling the FBI exactly how they did it and still had the back up of 99.5% of the general population who can see that its done for the right reasons

They could have also taken the stance that they would not do this in other circumstances (eg if it was a fraud other crime related reason)

Anyway the FBI should have just asked Samsung how to do it, I am sure they would be very helpful.
 
Is this any different to the FBI etc opening and dissecting your computer? I presume that they can check those out without the computers doing the same lock and destroy after 10 goes at the password and no one blinks at that. I think this has more to do with Apple sales and PR than freedom of information etc.
 
This is more complicated then 'they are terrorists'. People bought iPhones with an expectation of privacy. Whether that relates to cheating on your taxes, having an affair or being a secret fan of Frozen, that is your concern. Apple is rightly concerned about building a back door for the Feds, because where will it end? It is a classic slippery slope issue. Apple has revealed they have received an additional list of requests from various Federal agencies looking for similar intrusion, and they weren't terrorists.

Remember also this story is playing out against the background of huge public concern in the US about Fed snooping of all sorts - emails, mobile phone calls, website use.

I support Apple's stance, and so does Google, Microsoft and most others in the industry.
 
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