freddielong
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Do the terrorists still have a right to privacy if they are dead, I know that once you are dead you are no longer covered by data protection laws but not sure about privacy.
Apple v FBI
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Ethan
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This was reported as a technical one. Apple password protection uses increasing delays when wrong passwords are entered, and the FBI want to use a brute force method of getting in, and Apple says they would have to rewrite the iOS to do this and that would compromise every user.
IT heads - is that right?
Anyway, I suspect the FBI has broken in, but doesn't want to reveal they have done so and cause consternation among liberty-loving Americans who distrust Big Government, so wants Apple to give them cover for doing so. And Apple may know this but don't want to be the scapegoat.
Dan2501
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Region3
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Guessing, I wouldn't have thought terrorists have a right to privacy even if they're alive as they lose most other rights if suspected of terrorism.
That isn't the issue though as Apple have already supplied the backups from the phone stored on iCloud.
The issue (as reported - not necessarily the truth) is that Apple don't want to be forced into writing software that could potentially compromise every iPhone on the planet.
As Ethan said above, Apple are saying even they can't hack in. All they can do is release a new OS that allows unlimited attempts at the passcode.
Can they do that and have it installed without releasing it for every iPhone to auto-update? When they test OS's they'll have specific phones to test on, but maybe phones sold to the public have no other method of updating the OS than the method we all use.
Dan2501
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McAfee vs the FBI. Absolutely spot on. The backdoor that the FBI are asking for is absolutely ludicrous.
McAfee vs the FBI. Absolutely spot on. The backdoor that the FBI are asking for is absolutely ludicrous.
Tashyboy
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Thats a rubbish argument, terrorists are the only people at the moment that are not hacking my bank account.
today of all days when another terrorist attack kills innocent IPhone owners, if you asked them victims would you let the FBI hack into your phone to prevent another attack. The answer would be a resounding yes.
Furthermore, what if the phone the FBI want to hack had the contact details of today's terrorists details.
Captainron
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There are blokes down the market who can get it unlocked in about 3 minutes. Just get it opened and don't tell Apple. If the phone belonged to a terrorist then they should just do it and stuff what Apple think
CheltenhamHacker
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How about if they aren't quite sure if they are a terrorist, but want to check.
How about if they think this person was going to kill someone.
How about if they wanted to prove a massive fraud in court.
etc etc, getting weaker and weaker. Once this power is unlocked, it's in the hands of whomeber wants it.
And once the US have the power, suddenly everyone else will as well. Would you want any other government to be able to hack your phone?
Apple refused to help the FBI who might have done it now anyway (hopefully) and Apple then want the FBI to tell them how. If I was the feds I'd be telling them what Apple told them... "you work it out"
Dan2501
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Your argument only holds up if the backdoor that the FBI are asking for was the only way to break into an iPhone. It isn't. John McAfee has told the FBI exactly what they need to do to crack it, and even offered to do it for them. They're just being lazy and want this crack so that they can hack any phone they get their hands on. That is incredibly dangerous. If hackers managed to gain access to the crack, which would only be a matter of time as the FBI has been hacked countless times, then god only knows what could happen as a result. The details and private information including banking information of hundreds of millions of people would be in jeopardy.
Region3
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The unlocking that the guys down the market (say they) can do is to unlock the carrier that the phone is locked to.
They can't bypass a pin code.
Region3
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Not quite true to say they've refused to help.
They've refused to provide what the FBI asked them for, and the more I read about it the more I agree with them.
Hacker Khan
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Blimey, you do realise you have completely changed your point of view on this when you've read both sides of the story.
Look I'm sorry but that kind of open minded fair behaviour is not allowed on this board as forum rules say you must stick doggedly to any blinkered point of view no matter what the evidence against it is. Shame on you sir, shame....
ger147
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Do the FBI use iPhones themselves? I'd be having some fun if I was Apple...
Jimaroid
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The FBI have made themselves look like numpties as a result of this, it's actually quite shocking how wrong they've got it. They don't appear to understand what they were asking for and it raises some serious question about their understanding of electronic or cyber security.
If they don't need Apple's help, why did it take so long and a legal case to find that out? Are they incompetent or were they lying? Either way they don't look like good.
If they don't need Apple's help, why did it take so long and a legal case to find that out? Are they incompetent or were they lying? Either way they don't look like good.
drdel
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Generally people in the 'West' enjoy the freedom of Democracy; giving up a little bit of privacy in the way the FBI and UK government departments pursue terrorism is a small loss. Why would anyone whose is honest, law abiding etc. need to put (or have) anything dodgy or highly sensitive on their phones in the first place is beyond me so I couldn't give two hoots who examines my phone.
Terrorism is an asymmetric activity that does not play by normal moral or society rules if you want to tie the hands of government agencies and give advantages to terror, drugs and criminal gangs/groups then agree with Apple and safeguard their communications.
Terrorism is an asymmetric activity that does not play by normal moral or society rules if you want to tie the hands of government agencies and give advantages to terror, drugs and criminal gangs/groups then agree with Apple and safeguard their communications.
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
Why does anyone need keys to their car anyway?
Or keys to their house?
Or keys to their bank account?
Let's just leave everything open and nothing bad could possibly happen because democracy will save us!
The FBI have got this wrong. It really isn't that hard to see why.
Or keys to their house?
Or keys to their bank account?
Let's just leave everything open and nothing bad could possibly happen because democracy will save us!
The FBI have got this wrong. It really isn't that hard to see why.
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What if that iPhone had information about potential terrorist attacks and knowing the information could stop an attack and save lives ?
Is it worth allowing the FBI access with the possibility it could ?
Is it worth allowing the FBI access with the possibility it could ?
ger147
Tour Winner
If Apple's hand is forced then the inevitable outcome is every criminal in the world will be able to access your email, bank accounts etc. etc.
The FBI already has the know how to access the info on the one iPhone in question. As has already been stated by others, they want a nice easy short cut to enable instant access to any iPhone they want whenever they want. If they get it, the criminal underworld will get it in short order thereafter and all hell will break loose.
The FBI already has the know how to access the info on the one iPhone in question. As has already been stated by others, they want a nice easy short cut to enable instant access to any iPhone they want whenever they want. If they get it, the criminal underworld will get it in short order thereafter and all hell will break loose.
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Possibly a bit paranoid isn't it ?
How does it get from the FBI to the Criminal underworld ?
The FBI want this particular phone unlocked to allow them to check a terrorist phone - is it not worth Apple unlocking this phone for them ?
It doesn't have to escalate further than that
