Surely a pandora's box whatever happens
Apple v FBI
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ger147
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That's not what the FBI are asking for, they want a short cut created to bypass the encryption on ALL iPhones. And no I'm not being paranoid, just stating what I believe is inevitable based on my understanding of what the FBI is asking for, how Apple iPhone encryption works and the past 15 years of doing this stuff to earn a living.
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Ok that's fair enough and didn't fully realise they wanted all that :thup:
Jimaroid
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Is it worth doing things to save people's lives? Of course it is. No dispute. But at what cost? Would you harm millions to save one? What's the balance? Who makes that call?
What was on that phone is lost, it's information that is encrypted and it's gone. It's no different to the same person writing something on a piece of paper and burning it.
You wouldn't expect the FBI to ask Apple to unburn that paper or make all paper in the future fireproof would you?
Tashyboy
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Well it don't seem to me that the FBI are winning neither are APPLE.
So who are the winners, oh the terrorists ?
So who are the winners, oh the terrorists ?
Based on today's events, you're probably right sadly
drdel
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You're just extrapolating to a silly extreme for the sake of argument and ...
1 You car maker has your key-code and DVLA its life et..
2 house keys delay not prevent access
3 your bank and HMRC or a Court can access your bank details/account.
Jimaroid
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No, I'm comparing the virtual issue of encryption with more tangible examples so that people who say "do away with encryption because I have nothing to hide" might better understand how problematic that is.
Taking away encryption means opening the bank vaults to every criminal on earth. And the (sad) truth is everyone cares more about money than freedom.
The FBI want access to the data stored on devices in a quick way that does not delay response.
Asking apple for a bypass program is acceptable.
Personal data is encrypted by the websites visited and not Apple.
Personally, I think Apple are shoite phones anyway.
Asking apple for a bypass program is acceptable.
Personal data is encrypted by the websites visited and not Apple.
Personally, I think Apple are shoite phones anyway.
USER1999
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I think Apple should give it up.
I've got a Samsung.
I've got a Samsung.
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guest100718
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They want apple to disable the phones feature that limits the amount of pin attempts so they can brute force it. I'm no fan boy but i agree that apple shouldnt be forced to do this,
Dan2501
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No. The FBI and Apple are both winning. The FBI are winning because they'll eventually get access to the iPhone when they pull their finger out, and Apple will have successfully prevented the potential for cyber terrorists to access the information of hundreds of millions of their customers.
ColchesterFC
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What if it turns out that there was information on this phone that could have prevented the attack in Brussels today. Will people still be saying that Apple were correct not to help the FBI access the phone?
Dan2501
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Have you read the thread? The FBI are more than capable of accessing details in that phone. The FBI want a backdoor into EVERY iPhone. There's a difference.
ColchesterFC
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The White House and the FBI say that they are simply asking for access to this one device. You and others on this thread say they want to be able to access every I Phone in the world. Why should I believe you and not them?
ger147
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This is what the FBI say the FBI are asking for...
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-director-comments-on-san-bernardino-matter
...they want Apple to scrap the password guess encryption functionality in their OS i.e. this is not about a single handset. This would impact all iPhones and would put at risk 10's of millions of iPhone users personal details including bank accounts, email accounts etc. if it fell into the wrong hands.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-director-comments-on-san-bernardino-matter
...they want Apple to scrap the password guess encryption functionality in their OS i.e. this is not about a single handset. This would impact all iPhones and would put at risk 10's of millions of iPhone users personal details including bank accounts, email accounts etc. if it fell into the wrong hands.
ColchesterFC
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Even that report you quote says that it is only about the password on that phone.
Having now watched the interview with McAfee talking about how to get into the phone it does raise further questions. If it is as simple as he said then....
1) Why haven't the FBI done it already
and
2) Why are Apple making such a fuss about having to rewrite their iOS for every phone if they clearly wouldn't have to? Why not just say "yep, no problem, bring it over to our office and we've got a couple of guys that will get you into the phone within the hour"
Having now watched the interview with McAfee talking about how to get into the phone it does raise further questions. If it is as simple as he said then....
1) Why haven't the FBI done it already
and
2) Why are Apple making such a fuss about having to rewrite their iOS for every phone if they clearly wouldn't have to? Why not just say "yep, no problem, bring it over to our office and we've got a couple of guys that will get you into the phone within the hour"
ger147
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It's the equivalent of creating a virus. Software to get round the encryption doesn't currently exist. Once it is created it can be used on all iPhones (what the FBI want), and if it falls into the wrong hands then no iPhone is safe.
This is what Apple is objecting to and is why the FBI want Apple to do what they've asked rather than the McAfee option, which indidentally really is as simple as McAfee says.
Tashyboy
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Why don't the FBI give the phone to Apple, who can download all info onto a floppy disk then give phone and floppy disk back to the FBI.
bluewolf
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Because that's not what the FBI want.. They want backdoor access to every iPhone on the market, and they're using a terrorist atrocity to try and get it..
