Andy Vs Roger

Federer has a brilliant indoor record. He has long swings on both sides, so if the wind changes the flight of the ball, it is harder for him to adjust his shots. Look at how many backhands he miss timed in the first two sets. Under the roof he hardly miss timed a ball, and his ground strokes were almost flawless.

The heavier atmosphere also noticeably affected Murray's grounds strokes, as they had less penetration, and he hardly hit an outright winner under the roof. He was unable to open up the court as he did in the first two sets. Federer running around Murrays second serve also made a huge difference, which I am sure he was told by his coach in the break.

Murray played his best tennis in the second set, but a couple of points made the difference between two sets up and one set all.

I am sure Murray will be a stronger player for the experience, and he proved that he can compete in grand slams. He has certainly made tennis interesting deep into slams for a lot of Brits, including me.
 
Murray was blowing out of his arse after the second set, thats what playing against a top class player like Fed does to you. When you're that tired concentration drops and you make more and more mistakes. His first serve ratio dropped dramatically and he made several daft errors. There is a big gulf between the top 3 and Murray, he will certainly need a big dollop of luck to get over the winning line anytime soon.
 
Durango said:
Murray was blowing out of his arse after the second set, thats what playing against a top class player like Fed does to you. When you're that tired concentration drops and you make more and more mistakes. His first serve ratio dropped dramatically and he made several daft errors. There is a big gulf between the top 3 and Murray, he will certainly need a big dollop of luck to get over the winning line anytime soon.
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Technically I dont think theres much of a gulf but crucially Murray's level of play drops at key times whereas the top 3 are relentless under pressure.

I think Murray's tears yesterday is a realisation that chances are running out, he knows it himself.
 
Firstly i was cheering for Fed as i think AM lacks people skills rather than tennis skills , not overly fond of the guy ..
I think murrays tears yesterday were part of the problem , they were just a release of the pressure , & to cry like that in public after a final that wasnt realy close shows how much tension he had in him..

Murray went out to power Fed off the court & when he was fresh that worked , Fed had a mad number of unforced errors in the 1st two sets , when he ironed them out & as murray tired from trying to knock the cover off the ball, he had a great chance ..

As someone else said Murray need to hide his emoptions better during the game , stop the shoulder slumping & babbling , never show weakness during competition or an experienced opponent will eat you up .. same as matchplay golf ,

Murray has been unfortunate to be peaking in his carreer at a time whens mens tennis has a blessing of , RF , RD & NJ all sublime players ,
Will he win a major ? id say he might (opinion not fact) as in any sport injury could wipe out any or all of the top players at the same or different times .. do i hope he wins one ? not bothered id rather see luke win a major , if he is not too old already ha
 
I love the way the haters come out in force after the match has finished,shouting "told you so".
Didn't see many of you on here when Murray was a set and a break up.
Federer played brilliantly in the last two sets,and admitted afterwards that he had to play his "best" to beat Murray.
Murray has made 4 Grand Slam finals,and lost them all (3 of them to arguably the greatest tennis player in history) i don't see that as any kind of failiure.
 
I thought he done well considering the pressure he was under. Federer was sublime in the last 2 sets.

The pain of that loss will hopefully give him the final push he needs to win it next year
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Can I remind Sawtooth of my earlier reply re head to heads between Murray and Fererer. Eight a piece.
To any fair minded person that should strike them as a close contest.
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I read that and I agree there is not much to seperate Murray from Federer and Murray can still improve his game.

The real issue going forward is whether or not he can keep his cool. I dont subsribe to the view that he tired in the match, I cant see that Murray is any less fit than Federer.
He has the game already (he's proved that time and time again) and he's as fit as a butchers dog, he just needs to be a bit more composed under pressure.

If he can do that he will win a slam....and probably a few more after that.
 
sawtooth said:
I read that and I agree there is not much to seperate Murray from Federer and Murray can still improve his game.
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Not much to separate Federer and Murray. Is that apart from the 17 major titles? The 286 weeks at world number 1?

Federer is on another planet to Murray.
 
jp5 said:
Not much to separate Federer and Murray. Is that apart from the 17 major titles? The 286 weeks at world number 1?

Federer is on another planet to Murray.
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You took my wording out of context. Technically speaking theres not a lot Federer can do with a tennis ball that Murray cannot. As someone else already quoted they have beaten each other 8 times, you cant do that if you are not technically on the same level.

The important missing ingredient is the ability to perform at the very highest level, consistently under pressure.

I agree , in that regard Federer is on another planet. He is coolness personified even on high pressure points in slams.
 
Mungoscorner said:
I love the way the haters come out in force after the match has finished,shouting "told you so".
Didn't see many of you on here when Murray was a set and a break up.
Federer played brilliantly in the last two sets,and admitted afterwards that he had to play his "best" to beat Murray.
Murray has made 4 Grand Slam finals,and lost them all (3 of them to arguably the greatest tennis player in history) i don't see that as any kind of failiure.
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If you're aim is to lose in finals, it's success. If your aim is to win in finals, it's failure. I think he's achieved a lot and should be proud, but I can't stand this "it's a matter of time" attitude towards him. If he wins one, which I don;t think he will, it'll be a matter of luck and results falling the right way for him
 
What a shame there isn't a bit more appreciation from colint (no relation I hasten to add of Colin L) of what was a hugely entertaining feast of top-class tennis. It was a sheer delight to watch even though the disappointment for Murray was keenly felt.
For colint to decry his achievement, and worse to appear to be deriving personal pleasure and satisfaction from doing so is just sad. I have no idea what his knowledge of tennis is, but on the basis of his terrible grasp of rational argument and his breathtaking conversion of opinion into fact , I doubt there is much need to be concerned about colint's evaluation of Murray or his predictions of Murray's future career.

First British player in a Wimbledon final for 70 years did I hear? What a disaster of a man. Beaten in 4 grand slam finals? Never mind the achievement of getting there; never mind all the wins; the man is clearly a bottler.:rolleyes:

That by the way, is irony.
 
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Scottish papers are all over him today, as a nation we are so proud that he was the first Wimbledon finalist since white flannels. [long troosers to the young uns]

Best headline was
Cry,Cry and Try again.
 
colint said:
If you're aim is to lose in finals, it's success. If your aim is to win in finals, it's failure. I think he's achieved a lot and should be proud, but I can't stand this "it's a matter of time" attitude towards him. If he wins one, which I don;t think he will, it'll be a matter of luck and results falling the right way for him
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Do me a favour and Troll another thread.
 
Colin L said:
What a shame there isn't a bit more appreciation from colint (no relation I hasten to add of Colin L) of what was a hugely entertaining feast of top-class tennis. It was a sheer delight to watch even though the disappointment for Murray was keenly felt.
For colint to decry his achievement, and worse to appear to be deriving personal pleasure and satisfaction from doing so is just sad. I have no idea what his knowledge of tennis is, but on the basis of his terrible grasp of rational argument and his breathtaking conversion of opinion into fact , I doubt there is much need to be concerned about colint's evaluation of Murray or his predictions of Murray's future career.

First British player in a Wimbledon final for 70 years did I hear? What a disaster of a man. Beaten in 4 grand slam finals? Never mind the achievement of getting there; never mind all the wins; the man is clearly a bottler.:rolleyes:

That by the way, is irony.
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I'm also happy to confirm that, to the best of my knowledge, I am no relation to you either, although why you thought the need to point out that two people called Colin are not related I don't know (are all members of your family called Colin ?) Could you point out where I've failed to grasp "rational argument" ? I think what I actually did was use fact to back up my opinion, rather than use baseless hope and wishful thinking, but please, feel free to direct me to the rational I appear tohave missed.
 
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