Andy Vs Roger

Mungoscorner said:
Oh your a Mod now as well as a Troll ?
You clearly don't like Murray,and your trying to justify your criticism of him and his tennis based on your opinion of what makes a good/great tennis player.
As for "irrelevant personal posts" i'm doing nothing more than voicing my opinion,Have a look back through the thread and you'll find that i'm not the only person doing this.
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I don't like Murray AND he's not a great tennis player (although he's very good obviously but not and never will be a "great"), but the two are not connected. As I've said before, as well as Murray I dislike the attitude of it's a matter of tme before he transforms into a Slam winning legend from fanboys as it's completely without merit in my opinion.

Trolling is deliberating posting offensive remarks purely to annoy or upset, regardless of the posters true feelings. I haven't done that, I've given my genuine opinion on Murray which I've done before on this forum. If you want to continue with personal attacks then feel free to continue, if want to try to exclude anyone who has a different opinion from you then a public forum is probably not the best place for you
 
Neddy said:
I look at it this way. He's averaging one slam final a year since 2008 and has reached the semi finals in 6 out of the last 7 slams. Assuming he plays to this level until he is 30 he will have several more chances and on one of those occasions he will play the game of his life and/or his opponent will have an off day and he will win.

Lendl lost his first 4 finals, Agassi his first 3. They both wound up with 8 grand slam titles. I'm sure after they lost their 4th/3rd final people such as yourself were stating that the evidence suggests they will never win one. That they were chokers, that they weren't quite as good as McEnroe/Connors/Sampras/insert name as appropriate.

I think this is a classic case of two people interpreting the facts very differently. I have every faith that i am right and you are wrong. But we shall see....
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I love being right.

Seriously, has anyone heard from Colin lately? :smirk:
 
Neddy said:
I love being right.

Seriously, has anyone heard from Colin lately? :smirk:
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I think he's in hiding. He owes Richart 40p!

Murray has been in the Final of the last 4 Slams he's played, so definitely raised his game - though I think Lendl has had a hand in that! The Olympics win was a turning point to me, with the US win confirmation.
 
Foxholer said:
I think he's in hiding. He owes Richart 40p!

Murray has been in the Final of the last 4 Slams he's played, so definitely raised his game - though I think Lendl has had a hand in that! The Olympics win was a turning point to me, with the US win confirmation.
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Murray was a bit weak mentally, Lendl has undoubtedly sorted that part of his game, he's been a different player since Lendl came on board.
 
JustOne said:
Why? Is it not good enough to win The Olympics, US Open and Wimbledon? :confused:
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If he improves that he will be number one imo. Its his only weak point and that's a massive compliment to the guy.

Hes gonna win a lot more now this monkey is off his back too I reckon.
 
JustOne said:
Why? Is it not good enough to win The Olympics, US Open and Wimbledon? :confused:
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If he wishes to win week in week out to truly earn number one status [rather than be awarded it by his forum supporters] its the one 'weakness' in his game... As I have said on t'other thread it speaks volumes for the rest of his game but needs sorting sooner rather than later...
 
I'll tell you why some (still many?) folk still seem to not like Murrey. He's not a celebrity - he doesn't want to be a celebrity - he and his girlfriend don't prostitute themselves around the red tops and the Hellos and OKs of this world for the titillation of the unfortunately large shallow and celebrity obsessed section of our population - and giving what they know to be their largely irrelevant views on this that and the other.

And he doesn't go around grinning like a cheshire cat or indeed unnecessarily showing any motion - because as it happens and unless you haven't noticed - a lot of Scots blokes are just like that. After all - if you grin or greet all the time when is anyone going to know when you are actually really happy or sad.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I would imagine that Dorset has more indoor tennis centres and tennis clubs than Scotland.
For the record Scotland has 13 indoor tennis centres [only 8 open to the public] and less than 80 tennis clubs.

The LTA have been throwing £millions at tennis development in England for about 40 years and the best they came up with was Nice but Tim.
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Almost forgot I posted this, a little perspective perhaps.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I'll tell you why some (still many?) folk still seem to not like Murrey. He's not a celebrity - he doesn't want to be a celebrity - he and his girlfriend don't prostitute themselves around the red tops and the Hellos and OKs of this world for the titillation of the unfortunately large shallow and celebrity obsessed section of our population - and giving what they know to be their largely irrelevant views on this that and the other.

And he doesn't go around grinning like a cheshire cat or indeed unnecessarily showing any motion - because as it happens and unless you haven't noticed - a lot of Scots blokes are just like that. After all - if you grin or greet all the time when is anyone going to know when you are actually really happy or sad.
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Did he then seek out Jude, Brad and Gerard [amongst others] and suggest they stop stalking him immediately... I don't think so... When you are at where he is... Being 'celebrity' is part and parcel like it or not... Think the fact that Wimbledon has never been so packed out is a true measure of how he is appreciated by 'home' fans...
 
MegaSteve said:
Did he then seek out Jude, Brad and Gerard [amongst others] and suggest they stop stalking him immediately... I don't think so... When you are at where he is... Being 'celebrity' is part and parcel like it or not... Think the fact that Wimbledon has never been so packed out is a true measure of how he is appreciated by 'home' fans...
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Don't quite get your point. Others can view him as a celebrity and wish to associate themselves or be seen with him - but he might not want to act the celebrity. There are things he will have to do (for the LTA and sponsors) whether he wants to or not. There are things he will do becuase he is now able to do them - and that might be chatting to film stars. If he does all that in private all power to his elbow. I become less sympathetic to those in the public eye when they court publicity and milk their celebrity status the hide way complaining about being pestered, exposed etc.

I loved how in the players family and friends area immediately after the match his girlfriend immediately and very obviously ducked out of camera shot as soon as it alighted on her. No VicBeckham'esque preening or glowering at the camera for that girl.

BTW - she wears glasses - wonder what style she has as I've never seen her wearing them either in a picture or on TV :)
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Almost forgot I posted this, a little perspective perhaps.
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Pretty weak argument here though. Murray learned the game in Spain, not Scotland. Unless I'm missing your point completely.

Oh, and for the record, I'm a huge Murray fan, and happy for Scotland and Britain that he's achieved what was seemingly the impossible a few years ago (and with some style too!)
 
What a difference 12 months makes :)

I think its a great testament to Murray how he's fought back and the improvement he's made to his game to comeback and win it.

Some of the criticism in this thread was fair tbh.
 
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