Andy bloody carroll

[Deleted member 1740]

So the difference, massiveley is goals conceded rather than goals scored.

Andy Carroll, £35M - 18 Games - 5 Goals

Peter Crouch, £10M - 18 Games - 8 Goals

................... Im just saying :smirk:

Carroll has nearly 10 yrs on crouch and don't forget it was us who made crouch into the player he has been for the last 5 yrs.

Also when rafa signed him he was slaughtered because he never scored for 16 games.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I'll be honest, when we signed Carroll I was happy, although he had destroyed us at SJP a few weeks earlier. 35Mil was very expensive though.

I wont write players off as quick as most latter day footy fans, as long as they show some signs of improvement or ability. Sadly he has not for nearly 12 months now, ok the first few months were recovering from injury, but he does not suit LFC's style. I was worried in the summer when everyone was saying buy wingers for Caroll, whereas I was saying buy players to fit around Suarez.

The thing is whichever wing we have the ball on, all he does is peel away to the far post like a 1970's target man. Modern day footballers should have more about them than just stick it up at the far post for the big lad to nod it in. Look at Rooney, he turns all areas of the pitch into a 30 yard square 5 a side pitch. Carroll in the same situation runs away from the play.

I know Suarez does this for us, but you also need a striker to join in the play nowadays, or at least give you the slide pass, or ball over the top option, but as he has no pace, he can't do that either. I hope I am wrong, but i have virtually given up on him. Some say, build your play and team around him, but that would mean changing our style and purchasing too many new players (and it wont be attractive). Instead I would cut my losses and buy one player who fits our style, or can at least finish.

I still trust in Kenny though, overall. If we would have had the Torres of 2 years ago and Suarez, we would be a team to be feared though. Ifs and maybes, ifs and maybes.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Right about Downing, second half all he did was lay it off. At Anfield against City he hardly attacked micah richards in the first half, when he did in the second he slaughtered him. I wanted Nzogbia instead of him, as he scores goals also.

I hate wingers (ala Pennant) who just think they have to put crosses in all day and thats it. I prefer ones who take full backs on the inside also, or try to get in at the far post and score goals too, and at least have the odd shot. Downing either hits his straight at the keeper, or 10 yards over the bar.

Maybe a goal for him and Carroll may work wonders, here's hoping.

 

[One Planer]

Carroll has nearly 10 yrs on crouch and don't forget it was us who made crouch into the player he has been for the last 5 yrs.

Also when rafa signed him he was slaughtered because he never scored for 16 games.

The other way around but I get what you meant.

No doubt he was good for Liverpool (40 Goals/90 Apps) but, if he was so good, why sell.

I stand by my previous point in the difference between the two sides is defence rather than attack I.E Liverpool have a tighter defence, but that's not the subject of the thread.

If Carroll had the service, I'm sure he would score ans score well. The lad is 22 and has time on his side. The question is for £35M will the Kop give him that time.

It's no different than the form Torres finds himself in at Chelsea just now. As you well know he is a far, far better player than his current form. The only difference between how they (Both Carroll and Torres) play now to how they did a few years ago is confidence.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It doesn't help when we can't beat the 1st man with crosses though mate.

I'm not a massive Carroll fan but whilst he plays for us I'll back him all the way.
Letting Torres go when we did was stupid and I think we'll live to regret it.

 

[One Planer]

It doesn't help when we can't beat the 1st man with crosses though mate.

I'm not a massive Carroll fan but whilst he plays for us I'll back him all the way.
Letting Torres go when we did was stupid and I think we'll live to regret it.

Same in any team fella, service to your striker has to be good.

Take Man City (I know , I know they've bought it) look at the service they give to there front men!

Same can be said for Tottenham, the red half of Manchester, Chelsea. It's no mistake/fluke they are sitting top 4.
The reason the gunners are struggling this season is they have stopped passing the ball and started running at players! They were often critisized for "Over-passing", but , as I said with Stoke earlier, it worked for them and they got top 4, sometimes top 2 most seasons, why change????

Back to the point

Carroll will come good. Give him the quality service and you'll see the difference.

He'll probably get a lucky deflection off his arse and that'll send him on his way to 20+ this season.

Either that or Kenny can spend £25M on Grant Holt :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Crouch didn't want to play second fiddle to Torres that's why he left, as for grant holt..... Thanks but no thanks!

 

[One Planer]

Crouch didn't want to play second fiddle to Torres that's why he left, as for grant holt..... Thanks but no thanks!

Your joking!!!!!

He's got 7 goals this season already........................... 7 :rofl:

 

[jpenno]

If Carroll is going to get a chance then Quality of service is needed but were being linked with Theo Walcott!!! - his passing is worse than anyone in the league!

 

[One Planer]

If Carroll is going to get a chance then Quality of service is needed but were being linked with Theo Walcott!!! - his passing is worse than anyone in the league!

Which is all very TRUE but apart from Bellamy and Enrique (when he can be bothered) and maybe Downing where is your pace gonna come from?

 

[Liverbirdie]

We are creating just as many chances as anyone, and probably more. Ok, we are not "standing them up to the far post" for Caroll, but maybe if he attacked the six yard box, or actually tried to get across the front of a defender he may have had more luck. jogging everywhere doesn't help either. When your playing crap, at least put the effort in.

A decent sniffer in our team would have had 10+ this season, maybe more.

Defence is good, Pepe isn't as good as in previous seasons (but would not swap him), midfield is ok and is creating a lot of chances, away form is generally good. Problem is just finishing and breaking teams down at Anfield. Given more money I would only sign a right winger and another forward.

 

[bladeplayer]

I think alot of ye are forgetting something tho lads, Carroll never claimed to be a £35
mill player , thats an inflated value because pool left it too late to sell torres , then when they did sell him for an over valued ammount ye were in a race against time to get a striker , ye did good business with the torres deal but newcastle did great business with carroll , ye prob got 15 mill too much for torrres & gave 20 mill too much for carroll so all in all it was only 5 mill of bad business..

I wonder & ye pool fans will be best placed to answer this , what would the reaction have been if ye got the 50 mill & hadnt signed anyone at all ??

 

[Dodger]

Why is he the problem??


As for Carroll you can't expect him to score goals when our wide players can't beat the 1st defender with a cross.

Adam is slow and his £10m corners and freekicks are woeful.

Downing couldn't beat a egg never mind a man, useless.

And who signed these overpriced donkeys?

I rest my case....

King Kenny has stumbled from one mediocre at best reign to the next since buying the title with Blackburn.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I think alot of ye are forgetting something tho lads, Carroll never claimed to be a £35
mill player , thats an inflated value because pool left it too late to sell torres , then when they did sell him for an over valued ammount ye were in a race against time to get a striker , ye did good business with the torres deal but newcastle did great business with carroll , ye prob got 15 mill too much for torrres & gave 20 mill too much for carroll so all in all it was only 5 mill of bad business..

I wonder & ye pool fans will be best placed to answer this , what would the reaction have been if ye got the 50 mill & hadnt signed anyone at all ??

Ngog couldn't of done any worse in the last 12 months, but he wouldn't of been the long term answer. I think Ngog would have scored 10 goals at least in that 12 months, which is more than Caroll.

However, Ngog is not the answer and that is all based on hindsight. At the time Carroll was the answer and I for one was happy when we signed him. I did want Demba Ba in the summer as he was available on a free, so thought why not tale a punt, as I still felt we needed another striker once Ngog had gone to Bolton.

Agreed, Carroll did not not set the price, Chelsea did. LFC said you can have Torres for £15 mil more than Carroll costs. You are right on that perspective.

Nice to see a well balanced blue, I work with one as well and have another as a mate, it must be catching..... To be fair most footy posts I have seen by you are well balanced.

 

[Liverbirdie]

And who signed these overpriced donkeys?

I rest my case....

King Kenny has stumbled from one mediocre at best reign to the next since buying the title with Blackburn.

Yes he did, but still early days we have massively improved since last year's bottom 2 position. Look at Harry at Spurs, given patience you have to give the fella a chance. The road from bottom 2 to top 2, is not always a smooth one. For every Fulham away loss there have been wins at Chelsea (twice), Arsenal, Stoke, Everton, and should have beat both Manchester teams at Anfield.

Kenny put together the best LFC team ever, so we'll give him a bit more leeway than the sky generation of footy fans.OK been out the game for years, but if Fergie had been out the game for 10 years, would Man U fans have him back, if struggling - like a shot.

 

[One Planer]

But is King Kenny the long term man to take 'pool forward?

By your own admission he needs time, which I agree with, however he isn't getting any younger.

if Fergie had been out the game for 10 years, would Man U fans have him back, if struggling

Being honest, No. I think they (United) would go after Mourinho.

 

[bladeplayer]

Nice to see a well balanced blue, I work with one as well and have another as a mate, it must be catching..... To be fair most footy posts I have seen by you are well balanced.

Its called realism mate .. happens when your a toffee .. no point in trying to have a good debate looking through rose tinted glasses , theres a few of us toffees on here, including our loyal leader MikeH ..

 

[Liverbirdie]

Its called realism mate .. happens when your a toffee .. no point in trying to have a good debate looking through rose tinted glasses , theres a few of us toffees on here, including our loyal leader MikeH ..

I agree mate, the worst fans are the biased ones. I have had some great conversation with blues/Man U fans and can talk till the cows come home to people who give and take. I'd rather speak to them than a fellow red who is wearing the red specs.

You have to defend and fight for your club at times, but not blindly so.

 

[Liverbirdie]

But is King Kenny the long term man to take 'pool forward?

By your own admission he needs time, which I agree with, however he isn't getting any younger.



Being honest, No. I think they (United) would go after Mourinho.

Only because of his record in Europe (I actually think Fergie's European record is not good enough), 20 goes at the European cup and only 2 successes, considering they have made last 4 about 8-10 times.

 

[brendy]

Can I close this thread and wipe it off the face of the planet?, even just thinking about the amount of money wasted on Angie Carroll annoys me.