Andy bloody carroll

[USER1999]

Buying players is always a gamble. I'd swap you Carroll for chamahk any day, although they are both useless.

Did you know that our injured left back santos has scored more goals this season than torres?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Buying players is always a gamble. I'd swap you Carroll for chamahk any day, although they are both useless.

Did you know that our injured left back santos has scored more goals this season than torres?

I thought Chamakh got off to a great start last season (we were also linked with him at the time) and I was jealous after 2 months. What went wrong?

Santos, can he defend though, or is he still just finding his feet in the prem?

 

[Naybrains]

Can I close this thread and wipe it off the face of the planet?, even just thinking about the amount of money wasted on Angie Carroll annoys me.

No Im enjoying it, me and my mate MA.

 

[USER1999]

I thought Chamakh got off to a great start last season (we were also linked with him at the time) and I was jealous after 2 months. What went wrong?

Santos, can he defend though, or is he still just finding his feet in the prem?

Chamahk lost confidence through not playing when rvp was fit. He has never got it back, and now is a nightmare in front of goal.

Santos is recovering from injury, but he had started to look seriously good. He has a lot of company in the treatment room though, so he won't be lonely. Gibbs, sagna, jenkinson, diaby, vermaelen, to name a few. I am sure there are more.

 

[chris661]

The problem is that Carroll is never in a million years a top 4 quality striker, that being said watching the game last night Liverpool are hardly a top 6 team so maybe he will fit in. The whole team was rubbish last night and the way they are going with money grabbing Dalglish is not good.

 

[Shaunmg]

In trying analysing Carroll’s lack of goals, we seem to be ignoring a significant factor. That is; he can’t score them from the bench. That is where he has spent most of his time since joining Liverpool, apart from the period he first signed as an injured and unfit player.

How many full starts has he had? How many appearances were less than 20mins? In fact how many less than 10mins?

So I’m afraid we have a catch 22 situation with Carroll. He’s not scoring goals so we don’t play him, he can’t score them because he’s not playing

In my opinion the worst new signing has been Charlie Adam, too slow and a poor mans Stevie Gerrard . He is just not good enough for a team challenging for the champions league. I think with a fit Gerrard we would have seen better service and more goals from Carroll

When Newcastle sold him I wondered why the Geordie fans were so angry. So I took the trouble of watching all his goals for Newcastle on Youtube and got my answer. He is a class striker and a young man with great future ahead of him

 

[harvey4banger]

For me Liverpool have 3 of the most frustrating players in the Premiership at the moment and all my thoughts were confirmed when I watched your game last night

Downing, why the hell doesn’t he make any runs down the wing, he just stands there waiting for the ball to feet and then passes it straight back again, run down the wing man

Johnson, again should be pegging down the wing at every opportunity but doesnt and was at fault for Toure’s goal, weak

Carrol, had one desent season, which doesn’t make a good player. Why Liverpool paid so much money for him, only god knows. Good in the air yes, but is useless holding the ball up under pressure and cant pass it to his team mates.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Kenny put together the best LFC team ever

I've never heard a Liverpool fan claim such a thing, Bob Paisley surely?

 

[Liverbirdie]

I've never heard a Liverpool fan claim such a thing, Bob Paisley surely?

The late 70's team probably has it on statistics, wins, goals conceded, goals scored etc, but most LFC fans who watched both say the 1987/88 team. The had more of a joie de vivre (get me, possibly mis-spelt) about them. I was only 8-9 when the 78-79 team was going but went to the full 42 and all the cup games in following the 87-88 team.

I think we would have won a European cup, if we hadn't of been banned.

 

[One Planer]

I've never heard a Liverpool fan claim such a thing, Bob Paisley surely?

Bring back the Spanish waiter Benitez :thup:

 

[Junior]

He needs good service. He's hardly a striker who can create for himself.

Why was Bellamy on the bench ? He was just coming good ?

 

[MadAdey]

I'll agree Stoke's football isn't pretty, but it's effective.

At the end of the day the table doesn't lie. Liverpool are above Stoke, no doubting that, but by 4 points.

Difference being goals conceded.

Liverpool home record: Scored 14 - Conceded 8
Stoke home record: Scored 14 - Conceded 11

Liverpool away record: Scored 10 - Conceded 10
Stoke away record: Scored 8 - Conceded 20

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm

So the difference, massiveley is goals conceded rather than goals scored.

Andy Carroll, £35M - 18 Games - 5 Goals

Peter Crouch, £10M - 18 Games - 8 Goals

................... Im just saying :smirk:

No arguments there gareth. Stoke know what players they have and they play to what they have got. Not pretty but very effective. To keep Stoke away from the drop zone with the budget that they have is fantastic.

 

[One Planer]

To keep Stoke away from the drop zone with the budget that they have is fantastic.

What do you mean!! Peter Coates (Stokes Owner) Owns BET365!!!!!!


Money, Money, Money!!!

 

[jpenno]

He needs good service. He's hardly a striker who can create for himself.

Why was Bellamy on the bench ? He was just coming good ?

Because he has a knee injury

 

[Billysboots]

I thought £50m for Torres was a stunning bit of business, which was then undone in the blink of an eye when Liverpool paid £35m for a striker who, however anyone tries to dress it up, was largely unproven at the highest level.

Andy Carroll will never be good enough.

 

[One Planer]

I thought £50m for Torres was a stunning bit of business, which was then undone in the blink of an eye when Liverpool paid £35m for a striker who, however anyone tries to dress it up, was largely unproven at the highest level.

Andy Carroll will never be good enough.

I remember people saying the same things about Thierry Henry and Christiano Ronaldo when they moved into the Premier league.

Time will tell.

 

[Billysboots]

I was at Old Trafford for some of Ronaldo's early games, Gareth, and whilst he got some serious stick for some of his antics (off the home fans I might add), most seasoned supporters could see from day one that he had something special. I know Henry made a slow start at Highbury, but as I recall wasn't he played out wide? Perhaps not too easy to make a fair judgement too early.

But Carroll looks heavy legged and one dimensional. Sorry, but for me the big price tag came way too early in his career and has perhaps done more harm than good. Whether he recovers from the weight of expectation does, indeed, remain to be seen. But I just can't see him ever living up to the hype or the huge fee.

 

[One Planer]

I was at Old Trafford for some of Ronaldo's early games, Gareth, and whilst he got some serious stick for some of his antics (off the home fans I might add), most seasoned supporters could see from day one that he had something special. I know Henry made a slow start at Highbury, but as I recall wasn't he played out wide? Perhaps not too easy to make a fair judgement too early.

But Carroll looks heavy legged and one dimensional. Sorry, but for me the big price tag came way too early in his career and has perhaps done more harm than good. Whether he recovers from the weight of expectation does, indeed, remain to be seen. But I just can't see him ever living up to the hype or the huge fee.

Oh I totally agree he was over priced at £35M but I have no doubt he'll score goals, given time.

 

[MadAdey]

I think that people need to check stats out on games that Liverpool have had. Both home and away we had more attempts on goal that Man City. We were all over Man Utd at home. Against Stoke if I rememeber correctly we had something like 15 attempts on target not just at goal, Stoke had one on target and that was the dodgy penalty. All over Fulham and lost at Craven Cottage and all over Norwich and drew. So the chances are being created but they are not being put away. Taking those 6 games into the equation that is 13 points we have given away that we could have maybe got. Ok you are not going to get all of them but the team that wins the Premiership does.

If that was Man City creating those chances then they would have 14 more points than Liverpool. Oh yes that is right they have got 14 more points as they make the most of chances that come their way. So if anyone thinks that chances are not being created watch more carefully. I read somewhere the other day that we have hit the woodwork 19 times this season with Suarez getting most of them. Chances are being created, Torres from 3 seasons ago would have got thick end of 20 goals so far this year and Liverpool would be up there challenging for the title because we know the defence is good enough. Problem is Suarez is going to more of a supporting forward than goal machine. We need the old Torres back......

 

[A1ex]

I think that people need to check stats out on games that Liverpool have had. Both home and away we had more attempts on goal that Man City. We were all over Man Utd at home. Against Stoke if I rememeber correctly we had something like 15 attempts on target not just at goal, Stoke had one on target and that was the dodgy penalty. All over Fulham and lost at Craven Cottage and all over Norwich and drew. So the chances are being created but they are not being put away. Taking those 6 games into the equation that is 13 points we have given away that we could have maybe got. Ok you are not going to get all of them but the team that wins the Premiership does.

If that was Man City creating those chances then they would have 14 more points than Liverpool. Oh yes that is right they have got 14 more points as they make the most of chances that come their way. So if anyone thinks that chances are not being created watch more carefully. I read somewhere the other day that we have hit the woodwork 19 times this season with Suarez getting most of them. Chances are being created, Torres from 3 seasons ago would have got thick end of 20 goals so far this year and Liverpool would be up there challenging for the title because we know the defence is good enough. Problem is Suarez is going to more of a supporting forward than goal machine. We need the old Torres back......

That's a simple view of it. Those stats don't tell you the difference between a one on one or a shot from 20 yards. They still go down as a chance.

Liverpool have been unfortunate infront of goal with the woodwork but the argument they create loads of great chances isn't true. I watch loads of football and they don't create anywhere near as many one on ones or clear chances as the Manchester clubs, Arsenal or Spurs.

Liverpool should cut their losses on Carroll and buy proven quality like Pato or Soldado. Not sure if I were the owners I'd trust Dalglish with 10p, let alone serious money again. £75m on the likes of Carroll, Downing and Henderson represents awful work in the transfer market.

That kind of money bought Man City Ageuro, Silva and Kompany.