4bbb handicapping system

[gazzadi]

this is how they converted 4bbb scores into a 9 hole medal scores and as you can see the cuts are dramatic and totally unfair.if you are wise and knowledgeable enough please try to explain in a language we can all understand what is going on.

 

[Region3]

this is how they converted 4bbb scores into a 9 hole medal scores and as you can see the cuts are dramatic and totally unfair.if you are wise and knowledgeable enough please try to explain in a language we can all understand what is going on.View attachment 23057

Is that (on the right) all the same player?

 

[gazzadi]

Yes its one golfers handicap adjustment using the betterball scores for 2016[ of which there were 34] Any that where greater than 42 pts were used to adjust the handicap as though they were consecutive medal performances[hence the esr s]

 

[fundy]

Any chance you could tell the whole story as you know it rather than bits and pieces as people ask questions?

 

[rulefan]

they can and do override the decisions of golfers home clubs handicap committees "as the governing body with responsibility"

Only to enforce genuine CONGU regulations. They cannot make them up themselves.
I am extremely doubtful that the Lancashire Union of Golf Clubs has anything to do with such an idea. The club has obviously misunderstood the directive and devised an unauthorised system.
I suggest you contact the Union.

As an EG handicap adviser I am very uncomfortable about this situation. Are you prepared to PM me with the name of the club?

 

[gazzadi]

congu uhs stands for 'unified handicapping system' and as such i did not think that this was possible so i put it out there to see if anyone else is aware of its existence and could possibly explain how it is used and whether this is an isolated example .i thought that someone who has experience with handicapping may be able to throw some light on the tables included as they make no sense to me.

 

[rulefan]

congu uhs stands for 'unified handicapping system' and as such i did not think that this was possible so i put it out there to see if anyone else is aware of its existence and could possibly explain how it is used and whether this is an isolated example .i thought that someone who has experience with handicapping may be able to throw some light on the tables included as they make no sense to me.

This is not a permissible activity.

 

[rulefan]

I would be interested in knowing what software is being used and what is in the the columns to the left which we cannot see. They should show the code which has been allocated to classify the competition or adjustment reason.

 

[Old Skier]

And if they are 2016 scores they should surley have been dealt with in the 2016 review.

 

[Region3]

The left hand side to me looks like the partner of the player on th right, as the gaps are where the other has a 0.1 or "esr".

The whole thing imo is not an official procedure, but rather the club's attempt at taking the year's non qualifiers into account as a part of the annual review.

It would be interesting to see the number of qualifiers/cuts/buffers/increases, or at least the starting and finishing handicap.

 

[gazzadi]

the golfer concerned was 72 years old and uses a buggy . Lancashire suggested that his club review his handicap due to a series of successes in 4bbb .they convened a handicap review meeting and suggest a 2 shot reduction from 16.7 to 14.7. Lancashire tell them to wait and then use the system described to create a 7.2 adjustment to 9.5

 

[Colin L]

the golfer concerned was 72 years old and uses a buggy . Lancashire suggested that his club review his handicap due to a series of successes in 4bbb .they convened a handicap review meeting and suggest a 2 shot reduction from 16.7 to 14.7. Lancashire tell them to wait and then use the system described to create a 7.2 adjustment to 9.5

I haven't had the time to get to grips with the spreadsheet you posted but set that aside. Are you seriously telling us that a County Association instructed a club to reduce the handicap of a member by 7.2?

 

[Old Skier]

I haven't had the time to get to grips with the spreadsheet you posted but set that aside. Are you seriously telling us that a County Association instructed a club to reduce the handicap of a member by 7.2?

There is more to this it appears than is being posted I would suggest.

 

[rulefan]

There is more to this it appears than is being posted I would suggest.

I am looking into it.

 

[duncan mackie]

I haven't had the time to get to grips with the spreadsheet you posted but set that aside. Are you seriously telling us that a County Association instructed a club to reduce the handicap of a member by 7.2?

Ignoring the handicapping formulae side of things I've yet to see people cosistently win these events in the manner outlined here (which may also be unrelated of course) as a result of their handicaps being 2 shots to low...

 

[Keep cool]

It appears that the spreadsheet Is the same person,handicap at 90% of the 50% score and then 90% of full h/cp a very complicated system.It seems to include 4bbb away scores,medal and s/ford scores,starting from 16 h/cap rolling up and down with +.1 then reductions for points scored in 4bbb away competitions.
This must have been done on a historical basis and not as games played,a very strange method of handicaping.As stated previously the sores are the best of 34 games played and may not have been winning scores.

 

[rulefan]

It appears that the spreadsheet Is the same person,handicap at 90% of the 50% score and then 90% of full h/cp a very complicated system.It seems to include 4bbb away scores,medal and s/ford scores,starting from 16 h/cap rolling up and down with +.1 then reductions for points scored in 4bbb away competitions.
This must have been done on a historical basis and not as games played,a very strange method of handicaping.As stated previously the sores are the best of 34 games played and may not have been winning scores.

Without being able to see the missing left side columns which included the code, it looks as if the standard CONGU software has been used and the 'invented' scores entered as for a 9 hole supplementary.

 

[gazzadi]

the golfers club were asked by the union to hold a handicap review meeting which they did and recommended a 2 shot adjustment to the golfers handicap. the union asked them not to implement the congu adjustment but replaced it with this non congu 4bbb handicapping system which you have seen and which resulted in a 7.2 adjustment to the golfers handicap . it simply does not seem right and every golfer i have spoken with agrees

 

[rulefan]

To the best of my knowledge it is not approved by England Golf

 

[gazzadi]

then why use it ? it would seem that the unified handicapping system is anything but if rogue elements and the county associations are free to implement unapproved systems of handicapping whenever they wish ,ignoring the home clubs recommendations re handicaps.