Young and selfish.

[Lord Tyrion]

In answer to the original question, there is another thread going on right now asking how to stop elderly parents and relatives from carrying on as usual as some steadfastly refuse to change their behaviour. I'm sure many will have seen pictures of Brits in Benidorm carrying lots of beer when they are not supposed to be out. Sadly there are selfish people in all ages.

 

[Jamesbrown]

Problem is people are going to have to become immune to the virus, it's not going to go away. It's a numbers game the government are playing and they are trying to lesson the burden on the NHS but the reality is it's going to be overloaded regardless. I'd personally rather just get it, let my system build an immunity to it and go about my business as normal. Of course I am washing my hands and all the rest of it but I'm not locking myself away for weeks. I'm still under the age of 30 and I'll take my chances ?

I’ve just breached 30. As far as I know I’m not vulnerable. So I’ll just crack on with life. I’ve still got to go to work, so as far as I’m concerned life goes on. I don’t believe that millions should struggle for the sake of a few thousand.

If anybody is worried then they should self isolate. Government guidelines won’t save you as currently they aren’t enough. We need martial law and a complete lock down. Until then, we’re all spreading it the moment we leave the house!

 

[Hobbit]

For those that might be interested, just how sophisticated is the modern Intensive Care Ventilator?

Think about what the lungs do. For a certain size of patient the lungs will, in the main, take in a certain volume of gas. They take in that gas when breathing spontaneously. And they absorb the oxygen and give out carbon dioxide.

Without going through the history of mandatory ventilation, let's go straight to the modern vent. It will do a lot of what the medic used to do, i.e. assessing some aspects of the patient and deliver what is required. However, the medic will still have to give the machine the basic parameters and may well still have to tweak the settings, e.g. deliver a greater percentage of oxygen if the patient is very ill. Setting them up on a patient, inc measuring blood gas absorption is where the medic really needs to be good. As H'hacker said, you need the staff too otherwise its just a pretty paperweight.

A vent can deliver a set volume of gas. That's a bit basic, and in modern terms a little crude. The vent can measure the resistance and compliance(elasticity) of the lungs and set a pressure limit - no one wants their lungs to explode. The vent can measure the % of oxygen uptake and carbon dioxide expelled and deliver the right amount of oxygen. The vent can recognise when the patient is trying to take a breath unassisted and support that breath by giving the right gas at the right time at the right rate and to a certain volume/pressure limit. And it will do way, way more. I'm a few years away from them now...

As the patient starts recovering the vent will recognise the stronger breaths a patient is trying to make and will only assist that breath when the patient tries harder. It auto-weans the patient off the vent. The display on a modern vent is impressive. Volume curves, pressure curves, inspired and expired curves, (assisted breath)trigger levels, O2 settings, CO2 levels, breath rate... and on and on. Google Draeger ventilator, and look at the images - they're too big to upload here. Their accuracy of delivery is amazing, and has to be if you're delivering to a baby whose lungs are smaller than your thumb nail. They're not cheap, and built from scratch its way more than a 5 min job, and neither is testing and commissioning.... That's the very short version.

 

[Twire]

I’ve just breached 30. As far as I know I’m not vulnerable. So I’ll just crack on with life. I’ve still got to go to work, so as far as I’m concerned life goes on. I don’t believe that millions should struggle for the sake of a few thousand.

If anybody is worried then they should self isolate. Government guidelines won’t save you as currently they aren’t enough. We need martial law and a complete lock down. Until then, we’re all spreading it the moment we leave the house!

I might be completely wrong, but I was under the impression the Government wanted us to get it, but in a controlled way. By doing this it relieves pressure on the NHS and emergency services. Keeping the most vulnerable self isolated also helps with their strategy.

 

[backwoodsman]

I’ve just breached 30. As far as I know I’m not vulnerable. So I’ll just crack on with life. I’ve still got to go to work, so as far as I’m concerned life goes on. I don’t believe that millions should struggle for the sake of a few thousand.

If anybody is worried then they should self isolate. Government guidelines won’t save you as currently they aren’t enough. We need martial law and a complete lock down. Until then, we’re all spreading it the moment we leave the house!

Another one who, I fear, is missing the point.
1. We are all vulnerable - just that some are more so than others.
2. Without slowing the rate of spread, it could be hundreds of thousands, not "a few thousand"
The point is not to stop the spread (ok, it was, but not now) - it is to limit the spread to manageable numbers. When the numbers get unmanageable, then people cant be properly cared for & die unnecessarily. And lots of them.

 

[Reemul]

I might be completely wrong, but I was under the impression the Government wanted us to get it, but in a controlled way. By doing this it relieves pressure on the NHS and emergency services. Keeping the most vulnerable self isolated also helps with their strategy.

My wife is a teacher but due to her lung issue will now be working from home after today, luckily she has many roles just not teaching so she can do a lot at home.

 

[Reemul]

Another one who, I fear, is missing the point.
1. We are all vulnerable - just that some are more so than others.
2. Without slowing the rate of spread, it could be hundreds of thousands, not "a few thousand"
The point is not to stop the spread (ok, it was, but not now) - it is to limit the spread to manageable numbers. When the numbers get unmanageable, then people cant be properly cared for & die unnecessarily. And lots of them.

Additionally all those with cancer and other serious illnesses are still there and still getting them, they don't go away and we could end up killing them as well due to our selfishness, god forbid anyone get a serious diagnosis at present or especially in the next few weeks

 

[Hobbit]

Additionally all those with cancer and other serious illnesses are still there and still getting them, they don't go away and we could end up killing them as well due to our selfishness, god forbid anyone get a serious diagnosis at present or especially in the next few weeks

I skype'd a good friend yesterday who has stage 4 cancer. They were due their 8th round of chemo yesterday... "sorry we can't do it today. Maybe next week." Their immune system is hugely compromised. They might get and die of Coronavirus, or they will die due to lack of chemo.

Over loading the health service by not doing the right things will kill other people due to lack of access to other treatments.

 

[Robster59]

It's a free world and if thats what they wish to do then let them. I'm relatively young and I'm not concerned about the impact of covid-19 on my health whatsoever, why should I be ?

And then you get the virus which may or not may cause you greater harm, then you come in contact with a vulnerable person (for example, a friend or family member or even some poor innocent stranger) and they contract it, and things could get far worse and they could potentially die. But hey ho, as long as you're alright.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I skype'd a good friend yesterday who has stage 4 cancer. They were due their 8th round of chemo yesterday... "sorry we can't do it today. Maybe next week." Their immune system is hugely compromised. They might get and die of Coronavirus, or they will die due to lack of chemo.

Over loading the health service by not doing the right things will kill other people due to lack of access to other treatments.

M-in-Law due to get her bone cancer injection at home yesterday (has it every 8 weeks)

Call from the Hospital to say specialist has looked at her notes and will miss this injection out and she will get her next one in another 8 weeks.

Reason is to reduce risks to Nurse and overloaded in Cancer Unit in hospital, then advised if she has any serious issues before then we are to phone 999 and get her took in.

 

[Russ_D]

Well, just had a chat with the boss and because I have a kidney condition and blood pressure issues they are looking at sorting me out with a laptop so I can do a few things from home. Nice thing was he approached me about it. Aim is for me to to my bits and bobs but be kept off the main work stuff.

 

[jim8flog]

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I would hope, everyone would agree, is that we want to stop as many deaths as possible.

That reminded me of jokey quip from a low handicap playing partner. " Hope it's all the high handicap bandits..............

 

[clubchamp98]

Yes I actually have a very good knowledge of history, theres a slight problem with this, the companies have already told the government about the challenges of shifting manufacture to produce ventilation units, it's not possible in the timescale needed. Also another is the serious lack of manufacturing industry in this country in comparison to the mid 20th century

I would have to agree with this .
Most manufacturing in this country went abroad years ago we just don’t have the skill set anymore.
Plus most is computer controlled and would need time to change , time we don’t have.
Let’s just have the facts , not from political leaders though.
But our lack of trust in experts is coming through.
But hey lads no need for a slanging match .
Everyone entitled to an opinion.

 

[User62651]

All the more reason we should ALL follow the guidelines.
It's not just about (a general) you, it's about all of us
Do your bit and more of us may come through the other side and see another Xmas
The ME mentality has to change to an US mentality and quickly

At least the Chinese got the DNA of this virus identified and out to labs around the world pdq so there has been more US than normal from the guarded Chinese Govt in that regard, hopefully that quick work will save a lot of lives. Trump was sounding bullish today (as he always does) talking of Great Victories like it was ISIS he was fighting - hopefully a vaccine will be developed quicker than anticipated as he was intimating.
Friend of the Mrs's daughter has covid19 in Glasgow, she a healthy 27 yo but it's still provng nasty.
The WHO head guy was praising DRC (formerly Zaire) today for getting CV under control quickly, anyone know how they've done things?

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I'm not noticing much generational stratification in the behavior of my neighbors.
Everybody seems to be reacting in a similar way.
The streets are generally empty.
The only people walking around are with dogs.

Supermarkets and apothecaries are the only places one sees business conducted.
Toilet paper is restocked every day and it's gone by 10AM.
Food, however, remains generally available although not everything in normal quantities.

 

[Jamesbrown]

Missus now works at home. Been handed a phone and laptop configured for remote access. Dogs will be happy, I’m happy as I get a lie in as she is on dog walking duties since she’s home, so they’ll only get their late night walk from me.

Not such good news...rumours that we won’t shut down if there is a lockdown as we may be classified as key workers.

 

[Robster59]

Some people just make you proud to be British!
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/16/brits-abroad-sing-got-virus-na-na-na-herded-off-beach-12406236/

 

[Crazyface]

Selfish? ...Mard if you ask me after having to turn off bbc news. Good god almighty. I fear for the world when this generation gets in to positions of power. We're DOOOOOOOMED !!!

 

[User20204]

Some people just make you proud to be British!
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/16/brits-abroad-sing-got-virus-na-na-na-herded-off-beach-12406236/

When you're on holiday how connected are you to what's going on in the real world ? How much news tv do you watch when on holiday, how many "back home" papers do you read ? On the face of things that clip does seem like a bunch of drunk up footie fans but remember they are on holiday and quite probably have no idea of the severity of things bearing in mind it's hardly been 3 or 4 days since here in the UK has taken much notice of it all.

 

[Blue in Munich]

When you're on holiday how connected are you to what's going on in the real world ? How much news tv do you watch when on holiday, how many "back home" papers do you read ? On the face of things that clip does seem like a bunch of drunk up footie fans but remember they are on holiday and quite probably have no idea of the severity of things bearing in mind it's hardly been 3 or 4 days since here in the UK has taken much notice of it all.

You'd have to be deaf, blind and stupid not to realise the extent of this crisis. There is no excuse for their behaviour.