Overhead wires, pylons and posts....

[Imurg]

I suppose it has already been said. But, if poles are off the normal line, then there probably is no reason to have to replay the shot if you hit them. In fact, if the player hits such a post, they were wayward with their tee shot, so would it be fair if they get to play the shot again? I wouldn't think so.

If the post was in the middle of the fairway, I guess the club could allow a replayed shot. But, even then, perhaps not necessary (as some courses have a tree in the middle of the fairway, and golfers need to avoid that). I guess the assumption would be golfers have a bit more control over the line they hit.

However, if the wires go all the way across the fairway, not many golfers have control over the trajectory they hit. So, they could hit the perfect shot in their eyes, and then see their ball hit the wires. So, I can see why that would be considered unfair, and the golfer able to replay the shot. Wish they had that rule at my 8 aside footy, as their is a wire across the half way line (which can be used to hang netting to create 2 pitches either side), and it is really annoying when a lofted pass hits it.

Generally agree but on this hole the posts and wires were along the right edge of the hole about 10 yards off the fairway and 5 yards from trees
Also, as I said above, I hit the post but if I'd have been a foot higher the ball could have hit the wire and I'd have a replay.
The wire and post are in the same place so it has to be impossible to differentiate as one doesn't exist without the other.

 

[doublebogey7]

Generally agree but on this hole the posts and wires were along the right edge of the hole about 10 yards off the fairway and 5 yards from trees
Also, as I said above, I hit the post but if I'd have been a foot higher the ball could have hit the wire and I'd have a replay.
The wire and post are in the same place so it has to be impossible to differentiate as one doesn't exist without the other.

Life is not always fare

 

[DickInShorts]

Trees are natural obstacles whereas pylons and wires are not. Much the same as paths - also not natural hence we get relief.
The landing lights (and posts) at Lossiemouth also allow for line of sight relief which was requested by Scottish Golf

 

[Swango1980]

Trees are natural obstacles whereas pylons and wires are not. Much the same as paths - also not natural hence we get relief.
The landing lights (and posts) at Lossiemouth also allow for line of sight relief which was requested by Scottish Golf

Not sure that logic holds - you don't get relief just because your ball hits the path after all

 

[rulefan]

The one I hit was off to one side and the wires ran fairly parallel to the hole...
Just seems a little unfair that the posts are not automatically included in the LR.....after all, if they weren't there then the wires wouldn't be either..

Given that the inclusion of posts is optional (as is the LR itself), why not ask the committee why they have chosen the wording?

 

[RichA]

The one time I got my tee shot onto the 290 yard par 4 12th at my old club there was no deviation but an audible click as it just clipped a power line, forcing a mandatory reload. Obviously the "free" reload soared into the trees, never to be seen again.

 

[Imurg]

Given that the inclusion of posts is optional (as is the LR itself), why not ask the committee why they have chosen the wording?

Because it's not my course and I'm not likely to play there again......and we don't have any at my home club....

 

[jim8flog]

Played Hadden Hill today
They have 25ft high wooden posts holding up power lines across several holes.
As usual there is the LR about replaying the shot if your ball hits the wires....but not the posts....
I know that you don't get to replay when you hit a post/pylon but why?
Mentioned it to the starter on the 10th, as I'd hit a post on the 8th, and he reiterated the rule.
I asked why and he said the posts are like a tree....I said Well the wires are like branches then....
So why don't we get relief from the things that hold up the things we get to replay the shot from when we hit them..?

In one respect it does sound a bit like the club is not aware that the rule was changed with the rules changes as prior to then relief was only allowed for the wires.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

If you’re a member at DG&CC then I recall two holes with lines and/or pylons!
14th on Lakeland and 9th on Woodland?

I think the Woodland one is no longer there.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

I suppose it has already been said. But, if poles are off the normal line, then there probably is no reason to have to replay the shot if you hit them. In fact, if the player hits such a post, they were wayward with their tee shot, so would it be fair if they get to play the shot again? I wouldn't think so.

If the post was in the middle of the fairway, I guess the club could allow a replayed shot. But, even then, perhaps not necessary (as some courses have a tree in the middle of the fairway, and golfers need to avoid that). I guess the assumption would be golfers have a bit more control over the line they hit.

However, if the wires go all the way across the fairway, not many golfers have control over the trajectory they hit. So, they could hit the perfect shot in their eyes, and then see their ball hit the wires. So, I can see why that would be considered unfair, and the golfer able to replay the shot. Wish they had that rule at my 8 aside footy, as their is a wire across the half way line (which can be used to hang netting to create 2 pitches either side), and it is really annoying when a lofted pass hits it.

The most I have seen at our place is the same person hitting the wires 3 times from the same sport. As there are 2 wires I couldn't swear it was the same one each time !

 

[Norrin Radd]

A local nine hole course has pylons crossing it on three holes, if you hit any of the wires or the structure then you must replay your shot . Even if your ball ends up as a hole in one , which could happen as a short hole is one that is crossed.

 

[PJ87]

Course I used to be a member of had compulsory replay of shot if you hit the wires

Never got why you couldn't just play the shot . What if it ended up a decent one?

 

[jim8flog]

Course I used to be a member of had compulsory replay of shot if you hit the wires

Never got why you couldn't just play the shot . What if it ended up a decent one?

Simply because that is the allowable LR which does not allow the shot to count. As soon as you hit the wire it no longer becomes the ball in play wherever it comes to rest, big advantage to those whose balls end up OB where I play. (one rule for all).

 

[rulie]

Course I used to be a member of had compulsory replay of shot if you hit the wires

Never got why you couldn't just play the shot . What if it ended up a decent one?

As already noted, it's the same outcome for every circumstance - players do not get a choice.

 

[cliveb]

As already noted, it's the same outcome for every circumstance - players do not get a choice.

Isn't there a general principle here that you're not allowed to choose whether to be lucky?

On a related note, there are courses on Dartmoor (Yelverton & Tavistock are two I know of) that have ropes/wires around the greens to keep the sheep and ponies off.
And they both have local rules stating that if your shot hits one of these ropes (or their supports) you MAY retake your shot without penalty if you wish.
Which seems at odds with the overheard wires local rule, and the general principle I mentioned above.
Any rules experts care to comment?

 

[rulie]

Isn't there a general principle here that you're not allowed to choose whether to be lucky?

On a related note, there are courses on Dartmoor (Yelverton & Tavistock are two I know of) that have ropes/wires around the greens to keep the sheep and ponies off.
And they both have local rules stating that if your shot hits one of these ropes (or their supports) you MAY retake your shot without penalty if you wish.
Which seems at odds with the overheard wires local rule, and the general principle I mentioned above.
Any rules experts care to comment?

No comment, but a question. Are the local rules approved by the governing body?

 

[cliveb]

No comment, but a question. Are the local rules approved by the governing body?

No idea. I was only a visitor at these courses. The LR just struck me as suspiciously generous.

 

[jim8flog]

Isn't there a general principle here that you're not allowed to choose whether to be lucky?

On a related note, there are courses on Dartmoor (Yelverton & Tavistock are two I know of) that have ropes/wires around the greens to keep the sheep and ponies off.
And they both have local rules stating that if your shot hits one of these ropes (or their supports) you MAY retake your shot without penalty if you wish.
Which seems at odds with the overheard wires local rule, and the general principle I mentioned above.
Any rules experts care to comment?

It could possibly be that the clubs have applied for permission for this LR.

I know one of the courses* down that way has actual fences to keep the animals out of the greens area (or it used to)

*The one on the moors east of Lee Mill.

 

[cliveb]

It could possibly be that the clubs have applied for permission for this LR.

I know one of the courses* down that way has actual fences to keep the animals out of the greens area (or it used to)

*The one on the moors east of Lee Mill.

Ivybridge?
I played there a long time ago when it was Dinnaton, but don't remember any fences.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Played Hadden Hill today
They have 25ft high wooden posts holding up power lines across several holes.
As usual there is the LR about replaying the shot if your ball hits the wires....but not the posts....
I know that you don't get to replay when you hit a post/pylon but why?
Mentioned it to the starter on the 10th, as I'd hit a post on the 8th, and he reiterated the rule.
I asked why and he said the posts are like a tree....I said Well the wires are like branches then....
So why don't we get relief from the things that hold up the things we get to replay the shot from when we hit them..?

The same situation on our courses have the same local rules.
No strong opinion as to whether it makes sense or not.