WHS Handicap Index - Finally Revealed

[fenwayrich]

Just logged on to our club portal for the first time, and every score for our gents appears to have been input off the reds rather than the whites or yellows. There could be trouble ahead................

 

[Swango1980]

England Golf replied to say that Pending means a Player has not enough scores in the system.

Therefore, it appears the Portal is simply ignoring the 3 cards new members have put in for handicap, and if they have not submitted 3 cards since gaining their handicap, they won't have a WHS Handicap. So, hopefully this can be fixed, otherwise these members may well have to repeat the process all over again to get their first handicap.

 

[rulefan]

So, hopefully this can be fixed, otherwise these members may well have to repeat the process all over again to get their first handicap.

Or the handicap sec manually re-enters the 3 scores into WHS. They will then get a WHS calculated cap automatically.

 

[Swango1980]

Or the handicap sec manually re-enters the 3 scores into WHS. They will then get a WHS calculated cap automatically.

That is going to be a nightmare, for the following reasons:

1. We have had many new members, so this is more than a handful of golfers
2. Due to Covid, many of them have e-mailed cards. In the most part, they have posted cards physically in the box as well, so they will be filed away. However, it means going to the club and finding all these cards, which to be honest, I'm not overly keen on given they way the whole Covid thing is going. I'm bound to find others that didn't actually submit a card or 2 physically, so then I need to trawl through all the e-mails
3. I am up to my neck in work at the moment, and I'm already spending a fair bit of time this week trying to get my head around the Portal, so having to start manually entering scores for dozens and dozens of golfers is not so appealing
4. I thought England Golf would have been able to predict players with recently obtained handicaps existed, how on earth do they not accomodate for them? Also, I was lead to believe that golfers who have not submitted a score since Jan 2018, but had a handicap, would simply get a WHS Index based on estimated scores. Again, not the case. So, do handicap secretaries need to edit the handicaps of ALL these golfers, or should they wait because there is an initial glitch in the first release of the portal?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Doing a quick calc - With my handicap being 8.6 (rounds to 9) I am thinking that my HI will be about 8 - and when I factor that for my course SR my 'home' course handicap will 9 Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

 

[nickjdavis]

That is going to be a nightmare, for the following reasons:

1. We have had many new members, so this is more than a handful of golfers
2. Due to Covid, many of them have e-mailed cards. In the most part, they have posted cards physically in the box as well, so they will be filed away. However, it means going to the club and finding all these cards, which to be honest, I'm not overly keen on given they way the whole Covid thing is going. I'm bound to find others that didn't actually submit a card or 2 physically, so then I need to trawl through all the e-mails
3. I am up to my neck in work at the moment, and I'm already spending a fair bit of time this week trying to get my head around the Portal, so having to start manually entering scores for dozens and dozens of golfers is not so appealing
4. I thought England Golf would have been able to predict players with recently obtained handicaps existed, how on earth do they not accomodate for them? Also, I was lead to believe that golfers who have not submitted a score since Jan 2018, but had a handicap, would simply get a WHS Index based on estimated scores. Again, not the case. So, do handicap secretaries need to edit the handicaps of ALL these golfers, or should they wait because there is an initial glitch in the first release of the portal?

Wholeheartedly agree with everything your say.

Hopefully the authorities will come to their senses and take the 3 cards for initial handicap into consideration....but the last two years during the WHS implementation has taught me to assume nothing, so the handicap secretary and I are starting to work our way through the 99 golfers who are currently "pending" figuring out that index they should have if their 3 cards for handicap had been taken into account. I am not going to let my members not have an Index on November 2nd just because England Golf haven't thought their transition process through.

Of my 99, 40 of them have joined this summer but don't have 3 "other cards" that the WHS can use. 38 of the pending golfers haven't returned a score of any type since Jan 2018...in some cases up to six years!!! The remaining 21 sit somewhere in between.

 

[Old Skier]

Just checked with my place and they said that they were waiting for the WHS handicaps to come back from England Golf.

Your club has them but as today’s zoom meeting at our county proved, there are more questions than answers.

 

[Swango1980]

Wholeheartedly agree with everything your say.

Hopefully the authorities will come to their senses and take the 3 cards for initial handicap into consideration....but the last two years during the WHS implementation has taught me to assume nothing, so the handicap secretary and I are starting to work our way through the 99 golfers who are currently "pending" figuring out that index they should have if their 3 cards for handicap had been taken into account. I am not going to let my members not have an Index on November 2nd just because England Golf haven't thought their transition process through.

Of my 99, 40 of them have joined this summer but don't have 3 "other cards" that the WHS can use. 38 of the pending golfers haven't returned a score of any type since Jan 2018...in some cases up to six years!!! The remaining 21 sit somewhere in between.

Good luck. If this is what England Golf are expecting of Handicap Committees, I wonder if they will inform them at any point, or just hope they all happen to find out themselves in the week they have had to look.

I'd imagine the majority of handicap committees are in for a rude awakening when all golfers get access to this, and the loads of golfers dont know why they have no index.

But, I'm assuming it will be OK by next week, because it was all meant to be so easy.

 

[Old Skier]

That is what I was expecting. Anybody with a handicap would get a WHS handicap regardless.
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Not quite, you will also need an email address and be willing to allow access to that and your DOB to EG

 

[Old Skier]

Pending usually means they are moving between clubs and one club hasn't completed the exercise or that the player has been entered into the system and hasn't got 3 cards in the system.

Nope, I have long term members on pending.

 

[Old Skier]

Or the handicap sec manually re-enters the 3 scores into WHS. They will then get a WHS calculated cap automatically.

Fine in clubs with paid officials but many clubs use volunteers for running the clubs handicaps. EG have completely lost the plot judging by some of the responses folk on here are getting because they all seem to be different.

The project has been running for 3 years or more and in the last 2 weeks just before implementation EG expect clubs to jump through hoops for them.

Its an IT system which any decent project manager would have, as suggested, run it along side the current system not released duff data.

 

[Yorkshire Hacker]

Sorry if this has already been raised......but did I read that each Club HAS to have a handicap committee for the WHS?
Just saying, as our club has not had one for years, probably 5-6 years. Will that matter?

As an aside, this whole WHS changeover is starting to look like a right mess.
There was nothing wrong with the present system, and I am not looking forward to the changeover, however, I accept it IS happening..........isn't it?

 

[Old Skier]

Sorry if this has already been raised......but did I read that each Club HAS to have a handicap committee for the WHS?
Just saying, as our club has not had one for years, probably 5-6 years. Will that matter?

As an aside, this whole WHS changeover is starting to look like a right mess.
There was nothing wrong with the present system, and I am not looking forward to the changeover, however, I accept it IS happening..........isn't it?

Clubs have always had to have a handicap committee. Clubs should have been completing annual returns which is an Annex in CONGU stating they had one if my memory is not completely shot and sending it to county handicap officials.

 

[Swango1980]

Sorry if this has already been raised......but did I read that each Club HAS to have a handicap committee for the WHS?
Just saying, as our club has not had one for years, probably 5-6 years. Will that matter?

As an aside, this whole WHS changeover is starting to look like a right mess.
There was nothing wrong with the present system, and I am not looking forward to the changeover, however, I accept it IS happening..........isn't it?

I assume you have at least a handicap secretary? I think clubs have always had to have handicap committees, to at least help conduct reviews

 

[Swango1980]

I got an answer regarding the new pending members from England Golf. Options are:

1. Contact the ISV (Club V1) and ask them to import the missing scores.
2. Manually put them in myself for EVERY golfer
3. Get the golfers to submit 3 new scores (I.e. get their handicap all over again)

My opinion: absolutely farcical

 

[nickjdavis]

Not quite, you will also need an email address and be willing to allow access to that and your DOB to EG

England Golf do not have ANY of our members email addresses or DoB's...but they've issued indexes for the vast majority except where noted above. It is not the case that they wont issue an Index (as they previously seemed to imply), simply that a player will not be able to access the WHS system.

 

[Old Skier]

England Golf do not have ANY of our members email addresses or DoB's...but they've issued indexes for the vast majority except where noted above. It is not the case that they wont issue an Index (as they previously seemed to imply), simply that a player will not be able to access the WHS system.

They will issue an index but in today’s zoom farce it was explain that their records will not be updated as that requires the individual to register a WHS acc with EG and email address and DOB are the method of authentication.

By the end of the meeting my brain was fried but that’s how I understand it.

 

[nickjdavis]

I got an answer regarding the new pending members from England Golf. Options are:

1. Contact the ISV (Club V1) and ask them to import the missing scores.
2. Manually put them in myself for EVERY golfer
3. Get the golfers to submit 3 new scores (I.e. get their handicap all over again)

My opinion: absolutely farcical

well I've just tried option 2 for one of our guys and it took me a couple of minutes once I'd found the cards on our ISV system (HandicapMaster) and the WHS has allocated an index.

Going to try it for a player who has been given a new handicap but has a few cards in as well see how that works out.

 

[Swango1980]

well I've just tried option 2 for one of our guys and it took me a couple of minutes once I'd found the cards on our ISV system (HandicapMaster) and the WHS has allocated an index.

Going to try it for a player who has been given a new handicap but has a few cards in as well see how that works out.

Do you do this on your ISV as supplementary cards, or do you do this directly on WHS Portal?

 

[rulefan]

Just worked mine out again with recent rounds added.

Again its the crude calculation without slope so a bit of a rough estimate but if CSS is taken into account I'm looking at 1.1, if not... 2.6. Seems a lot of my best scores have come on rotten days!

How can you do it without slope unless you area scratch player and always play to scratch?