WHS Handicap Index - Finally Revealed

[Deleted member 3432]

Lol, no far too old and realistic for that ?
Currently flit from 1 to 0, ideally 1, calculations work out at +1.4 which just isn't me. Seems a bit unfair considering the handful of 79s and the 81 recorded this year ?‍.

Need to stop shooting under par then

 

[nickjdavis]

My understanding is your index will be shown by the clubs ISV and where they provide an app like HDID with V1 you will have full access to info from there although you will also have the option of login on to the WHS portal

I hope you are right...it will save a lot of our members a bit of grief....but with England Golf saying you wont be able to access your handicap index if you don't provide email and date of birth I have some doubts....but then...EG have been a bit of a mine of misinformation during the entire WHS journey!!!!

 

[Ethan]

I only have 17, wasn't playing in 2018 and was away in 2019 saving the world's oil supply through the Strait of Hormuz ?.
CSS all 72, best 6 scores range from 69 to 72.

OK, so +1.4 sounds about right then.

Get your priorities right. Your handicap is more important than the world's oil supply!

 

[Blue in Munich]

Someone remind me what all this angst and confusion was designed to resolve?

 

[upsidedown]

To be honest, I understand that just looking at the numbers, it must be right.

I guess we need to change our mindset so that if we have a few low scores recently we will drop alarmingly. But after so many years playing, we get an image of what certain numbers represent to us.

The only way is ? up ?

When we emigrated to NZ we hated it at first but after 2 months having got to grips to how it works we embraced it, can't wait for Nov 2nd

 

[Old Skier]

I only have 17, wasn't playing in 2018 and was away in 2019 saving the world's oil supply through the Strait of Hormuz ?.
CSS all 72, best 6 scores range from 69 to 72.

So basically sunning yourself and getting a tan

 

[woofers]

I can’t see it via the handicap portal on IG ( I’m an admin )

In the Zoom calls with IG it was made clear by IG that they would not be given access by EG to data until Nov 2nd.
If you go into IG, Admin, Players, WHS Portal, FAQ, Q1:
Frequently Asked Questions

1. Will the transitional handicap be available from October?
Not through intelligentgolf. The first date we will have access to your handicap index will be on the 2nd November

 

[rulefan]

my own belief is that ultimately the ISV software will simply be reduced to being a competition management/booking software with membership and bar management etc etc options bolted on. All handicap related matters will be managed by the WHS platform....al the ISV software will have to do is to tell the WHS the scores for the day.

Basically that's it.

 

[rulefan]

The problem is that too many people want to get at the nitty gritty too soon. Reason why WHS has not published the PCC algorithm and why no national authority has published the transition formula from their national systems.

How many of us checked the way CSS is calculated when they first got a CONGU handicap?

 

[IanM]

The problem is that too many people want to get at the nitty gritty too soon. Reason why WHS has not published the PCC algorithm and why no national authority has published the transition formula from their national system

Aplogies for this, but how many months have you been posting doing exactly this? (Hopefully trying to help)

Anything needing something called a "PCC Algorithm " is fundamentally flawed and those behind it need removing from office

 

[Ethan]

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Rude not to ?

That looks like a long carry off the tee. No wonder you are a plus man.

 

[rulefan]

Aplogies for this, but how many months have you been posting doing exactly this? (Hopefully trying to help)

That is part of my function for the county

Anything needing something called a "PCC Algorithm " is fundamentally flawed and those behind it need removing from office

What was CSS if not that?
But how would you have made an adjustment for course and weather conditions?

 

[OnTour]

Sounds promising I hate the current 0.1 back or poor cuts especially at my soon to be ex course. 8 from 20 I might need to be better than 3 decent knocks from 20 (be tight)

 

[Mozza14]

The problem is that too many people want to get at the nitty gritty too soon. Reason why WHS has not published the PCC algorithm and why no national authority has published the transition formula from their national systems.

How many of us checked the way CSS is calculated when they first got a CONGU handicap?

Why is understanding the system a problem?

Not providing the details of the transition has provided a void, not allowed Club Administrator's to get on top of it and be in a position to field queries. The late delivery of this transition data now will lead to a sudden deluge of questions and confusion. Inclusion or not of CSS-SSS and Low Index calculations on transition being two examples where England Golf have given out conflicting messages. Surely, someone has written a specification and knows what it contains.

The PCC algorithm is not the issue but much more fundamental transitional rules. (Yes I do understand how CSS is calculated.)

 

[Swango1980]

The problem is that too many people want to get at the nitty gritty too soon. Reason why WHS has not published the PCC algorithm and why no national authority has published the transition formula from their national systems.

How many of us checked the way CSS is calculated when they first got a CONGU handicap?

I would have to counter this to some extent.

I would say the vast majority of golfers don't give 2 hoots about how their handicap is worked out, Congu or WHS, let alone ever heard of CSS or PCC. They just get given a number and go with it.

However, some are. And, when people are interested in such things, they come on forums like this. Many who want more detail are representatives of their club committees. It is admirable that they search for as much detail as humanely possible. In fact, I say it should be a necessity. Because, it then puts them in a better position ensure not only do they know the fundamentals (which some fan take for granted unless they delve into the implications), but they can also deal with more left field questions when members come out of the blue and ask them. They always say the teacher needs to make sure they are at least 1 step ahead of the pupil.

Most didn't know how CSS was calculated. But, they could still work it out manually if they wished, by following the look up tables in the manual. So, assuming they can accept those tables are based on sufficient analysis of scores, then CSS can be understood. However, with PCC, can the same people work this out manually? No, and fair enough, they don't need to. However, some feel more comfortable being able to work from 1st principals to truly understand something, otherwise there must be a greater feeling of blind faith in the software.

Despite that, whether understood or not, I think others have expressed fair concern that CSS was not taken into account at all for their initial WHS allocation, especially if CSS was frequently different to SSS during their best 8 rounds

 

[IanM]

That is part of my function for the county

What was CSS if not that?
But how would you have made an adjustment for course and weather conditions?

1) Ah.
2) CSS was something you found out at the top of the results page! Anyone trying to work it out in advance was shunned!

....any clubs reviewing their players scores over the last few months? Any 8 handicappers failing to break 100 this summer?

 

[Ethan]

Just checked with my place and they said that they were waiting for the WHS handicaps to come back from England Golf.

 

[Bdill93]

I'm more worried about the fact that 97 of my members are not going to have a handicap index on Nov 2nd....actually I'm more worried that they wont have one next Monday when they will allegedly be given access to the platform!!!

I'm not so bothered about those who havent played a competetive or supplementary round in the last two years...I'm more bothered about those who have joined in the last three months, put their three cards in for initial handicap but have only played 1 or 2 qualifying rounds....they're about to go into the new world without an index through no fault if their own.

I'm pretty sure - but I hope Rulefan or Swango might chip in - that even people with new handicaps (like myself - 6 qualifying scores in the system) will also get new WHS handicaps. They just use a different average as your qualifying rounds go in. So not 8/20 but 4/10 or 2/5 until your record has achieved the full 20 needed for an accurate handicap.

My best 3 qualifying scores are 87, 90 and 91 on a course rated 67.1. Im hoping this means currently my index may come out around 21/22? But it's probably liable for heavy swings up and down until I have 20 scores?

 

[Swango1980]

I'm pretty sure - but I hope Rulefan or Swango might chip in - that even people with new handicaps (like myself - 6 qualifying scores in the system) will also get new WHS handicaps. They just use a different average as your qualifying rounds go in. So not 8/20 but 4/10 or 2/5 until your record has achieved the full 20 needed for an accurate handicap.

My best 3 qualifying scores are 87, 90 and 91 on a course rated 67.1. Im hoping this means currently my index may come out around 21/22? But it's probably liable for heavy swings up and down until I have 20 scores?

That is what I was expecting. Anybody with a handicap would get a WHS handicap regardless.

However, that has not happened (for now). As with probably many clubs since lockdown reopened, we have had a lot of new members, and quite a few have done their 3 cards and got their first handicap. No problem there. But, the WHS System is now showing them with No WHS Handicap, but it instead says Pending. This looks to be also true for members who have been a member for years, but have not actually got "c" status because they've not submitted qualifying scores in last couple of years.

Now, I'm unsure if the fact it say Pending means that, in the next week England Golf will sort these out and then give a WHS handicap? Or, if it is up to Committee members at golf clubs to manually give these players a handicap (although, not exactly sure how this would be done, as a CONGU handicap is not directly comparable to a WHS Index). Or, nothing will be done, and then we will have a few dozen angry golfers next week (at my club alone) when they cannot get their Index, and they have a competition to play in

 

[Bdill93]

That is what I was expecting. Anybody with a handicap would get a WHS handicap regardless.

However, that has not happened (for now). As with probably many clubs since lockdown reopened, we have had a lot of new members, and quite a few have done their 3 cards and got their first handicap. No problem there. But, the WHS System is now showing them with No WHS Handicap, but it instead says Pending. This looks to be also true for members who have been a member for years, but have not actually got "c" status because they've not submitted qualifying scores in last couple of years.

Now, I'm unsure if the fact it say Pending means that, in the next week England Golf will sort these out and then give a WHS handicap? Or, if it is up to Committee members at golf clubs to manually give these players a handicap (although, not exactly sure how this would be done, as a CONGU handicap is not directly comparable to a WHS Index). Or, nothing will be done, and then we will have a few dozen angry golfers next week (at my club alone) when they cannot get their Index, and they have a competition to play in

Cheers for the reply!

Well.... that's rubbish for me! Fingers crossed they get to us!!