WHS Handicap Index - Finally Revealed

[MendieGK]

A PCC cannot show because there would be no way to calculate one from CONGU data. However the CSS would have been used in the calculation instead of the Course Rating.
So the Score Differential is
(113/Slope) * (Adj Gross - CSS) rather than
(113/Slope) * (Adj Gross - CR - PCC)

Thanks for the reply. I hoped you would. I still find it hard to understand how my handicap is 1 whole shot higher than me doing the calculations you’ve shown there.

 

[rulefan]

Thanks for the reply. I hoped you would. I still find it hard to understand how my handicap is 1 whole shot higher than me doing the calculations you’ve shown there.

I'm a bit concerned that others are suggesting that CSS is not being used. That is what I was told by EG.

 

[louise_a]

Have you checked on the CDH?

England Golf's members area is currently unavailable due to updates being done for WHS

 

[Swango1980]

I'm a bit concerned that others are suggesting that CSS is not being used. That is what I was told by EG.

It didn't appear to be used looking at my scores and looking at the platform. Looked to use Course Rating. Which is why everyone who has been independently calculating their up to now are noticing different results on the WHS platform

 

[nickjdavis]

I'm a bit concerned that others are suggesting that CSS is not being used. That is what I was told by EG.

I've just looked at one of my scores for a round where CSS moved...

I shot a gross 80 on the day with no blow up holes....CSS for the day was 68 (SSS normally 69)

In my WHS record it shows me as a normalised gross differential of 10.3.....if I do the calculation (113/Slope) * (Adj Gross - CSS) I get (113/124)*(80-68) = 10.9

If I do the calculation (113/Slope)* (Adj Gross-CR) I get (113/124)*(80-68.7) = 10.3

so its plain the WHS is using the second formula and not taking the CSS of the day into account.

 

[rulefan]

It is my understanding, the low limit only applies once a golfer has submitted 20 scores, although would need to double check the text.

Correct. 5.7 bullet 1

 

[rulefan]

It is the Playing Conditions Calculation. It effectively does what CSS does now (but worked out differently).

The main difference is that the PCC is shown separately from the Course Rating. Values -1 thru +3. CSS is added to the SSS(CR) and shown as a total figure (but same range of values).

 

[rulefan]

I've just looked at one of my scores for a round where CSS moved...

I shot a gross 80 on the day with no blow up holes....CSS for the day was 68 (SSS normally 69)

In my WHS record it shows me as a normalised gross differential of 10.3.....if I do the calculation (113/Slope) * (Adj Gross - CSS) I get (113/124)*(80-68) = 10.9

If I do the calculation (113/Slope)* (Adj Gross-CR) I get (113/124)*(80-68.7) = 10.3

so its plain the WHS is using the second formula and not taking the CSS of the day into account.

That is worrying.

From EG email 8th Oct "It uses the Gross Differential (so uses the CSS)."

 

[nickjdavis]

That is worrying.

From EG email 8th Oct "It uses the Gross Differential (so uses the CSS)."

I'm more worried about the fact that 97 of my members are not going to have a handicap index on Nov 2nd....actually I'm more worried that they wont have one next Monday when they will allegedly be given access to the platform!!!

I'm not so bothered about those who havent played a competetive or supplementary round in the last two years...I'm more bothered about those who have joined in the last three months, put their three cards in for initial handicap but have only played 1 or 2 qualifying rounds....they're about to go into the new world without an index through no fault if their own.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Can someone confirm how we can see these via IG ?

 

[rulefan]

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So have I got this right....?
113÷128 = 0.88
A score of 69 against CSS 72 is - 3
So that particular differential is -2.65.

Take your best 8 (or whatever) and average them?
Thanks.

To 1 dec. ie 2.7

But (0.88 x 3) is 2.64 rounded to 2.6

 

[Old Skier]

Can someone confirm how we can see these via IG ?

That’s the plan, clubs have them now but not being put out there yet as the are several anomalies and issues that have appeared.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That’s the plan, clubs have them now but not being put out there yet as the are several anomalies and issues that have appeared.

I can’t see it via the handicap portal on IG ( I’m an admin )

 

[nickjdavis]

Can someone confirm how we can see these via IG ?

AS individual golfers....you cannot at this moment in time.

Players may be invited to log in to the WHS platform from next Monday if my understanding is correct, currently only "club officials" have access.

It may well be that the only means that players have of accessing their records is via the WHS platform, my own belief is that ultimately the ISV software will simply be reduced to being a competition management/booking software with membership and bar management etc etc options bolted on. All handicap related matters will be managed by the WHS platform....al the ISV software will have to do is to tell the WHS the scores for the day.

 

[nickjdavis]

I can’t see it via the handicap portal on IG ( I’m an admin )

OK...as an ammendment to my post above....I dont think you can access it via IG...even if you are an admin. (I cant access it via Handicapmaster...and I'm an admin for that)

Access must be directly via the WHS platform using the log in details that you or soemone would have provided to the WHS back in July or thereabouts.

 

[Old Skier]

I can’t see it via the handicap portal on IG ( I’m an admin )

Not showing on the ISV yet but showing on the WHS dashboard that admin and some HC members will have access to.

 

[Old Skier]

AS individual golfers....you cannot at this moment in time.

Players may be invited to log in to the WHS platform from next Monday if my understanding is correct, currently only "club officials" have access.

It may well be that the only means that players have of accessing their records is via the WHS platform, my own belief is that ultimately the ISV software will simply be reduced to being a competition management/booking software with membership and bar management etc etc options bolted on. All handicap related matters will be managed by the WHS platform....al the ISV software will have to do is to tell the WHS the scores for the day.

My understanding is your index will be shown by the clubs ISV and where they provide an app like HDID with V1 you will have full access to info from there although you will also have the option of login on to the WHS portal

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Thanks.
I'll wait for the official news, but I'm going to have the biggest vanity handicap in the country ????, looking ridiculous.

On the positive side you can whack a few supplementries in now there are no categories.

Failing that enjoy the vanity handicap over the winter months

 

[Old Skier]

Lol, no far too old and realistic for that ?
Currently flit from 1 to 0, ideally 1, calculations work out at +1.4 which just isn't me. Seems a bit unfair considering the handful of 79s and the 81 recorded this year ?‍.

Surley that’s just your index, not necessarily the handicap you will play at your and other courses.

 

[Ethan]

Lol, no far too old and realistic for that ?
Currently flit from 1 to 0, ideally 1, calculations work out at +1.4 which just isn't me. Seems a bit unfair considering the handful of 79s and the 81 recorded this year ?‍.

What is your range of gross differentials in the best 8 of the last 20?