Yes both are dotgolf, hence their overt likeness, but what they are trying to do is very different. And everything on the SG App is linked to VMS. Cost is why clubs are putting up with the shambles, and why it's mostly small clubs who have adopted VMS, big clubs simply can't switch because SG haven't got their act together.
When SG first introduced VMS v1 in 2021 it was roundly applauded, finally clubs, especially small clubs, were going to see something for the astronomical fees clubs paid and it was seen as a new outlook and long overdue awareness of their shortcomings.
Er...Who actually pays those 'fees'? My understanding is that it the players that pay it (about £15) albeit via club subscription payment! Oh and what are examples of those different requirements'? I'd have thought the requirements were pretty similar, just a omparitively bigger drag on smaller clubs!
Probably worth remembering that union affiliation fees get spent on a great deal more than just dotgolf software (branded VMS in Scotland), as they always have been.
So it's the players that paid, pay, or will pay for it, occasionally multiple times, and clubs are just the gatherers of the fees? That rather clashes with BB's assertion wrt clubs paying 'astronomical fees' as they were merely the conduit for the payment by players and may not be paying any fee at all - though that's yet to be confirmed!
Surely you only pay affiliation fees at just one club, even though you might be a member of more?
No! Process to check is deemed too cumbersome, so multiple fees if multiple clubs! Happens in other sports too, Tennis for example, at least when I was a member at 3 (local for with SWMBO, competition and midweek while working away - pre Golf; not all at full rate!)!
I could be wrong but I always thought that in England you only pay affiliation fees once.
But it has no doubt so far cost SG oodles, which is of course ultimately paid for by all clubs in Scotland.
Again!.....Clubs or Players! I believe it's the latter - certainly ultimately!
You've raised a doubt and it might have changed from when it was relevant to me! But it maekes no difference to the 'Who Pays' question!
If it's a members' club therre is no distinction. The members are the club.
A moot point! If club is member-owned and pays the affiliation fees, it's the members that have effectively paid them!
it accounts for more than 10% of our cheapest category members fees, that money could be put to far better use by the club itself, than handing over thousands annually to a body that gives back nothing. The club pays the fee based on membership numbers, no idea why you think some would be paying no fee at all, that simply isn't the case, members are not involved in the process, most don't even know that fee exists
Now that everyone has a CDH number, it would be a doddle for SG (or indeed clubs themselves) to declare exactly how many home members they have and only pay the SG annual sub for those members. Of course SG won't do that as it's them that will lose out and clubs that would benefit
Are you really saying that the club doesn't pass on the SG affiliation fee to members! That's either completely daft or it's included, but not separately, in the overall sub! Every club I've checked - including Scottish ones - has had the various elements separately listed! So I'd still argue that that it's the members that pay the levy and your view that it's the club that pays is simply a rubbish, biased one! Whether it's value for money - for the players - is a separate issue!
You are still under the misconception that clubs are the customers for the levy! Thy are merely the agents fo collection! As a demo of the fallacy, which of a players 2 clubs would not need to pay the levy! The answer - whichever one the player designates as his or her 2nd club, thus not needing to pay the levy! Somewhere in your years of IT you should learnt the simple data analysis concept involved!
This (mis)perception seems to be one of the reasons for Scottish Golf deferring the affiliation fee increase.
