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In England affiliation fees are two additional lines in your subs invoice. An England Golf affiliation fee and a County or County Association affiliation fee. Subs are quoted as one number then affiliation fees are added separately.
EG affiliation fee is £9.50 - you only pay this once at your home club.
In addition my Gloucestershire Golf Union fee is £14.55 and my wife’s Gloucestershire Golf Association fee is £12.05 - if you are a member of more than one club in the same County you pay just one County fee, but if you are a member in two different Counties you pay in both.
 

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In England affiliation fees are two additional lines in your subs invoice. An England Golf affiliation fee and a County or County Association affiliation fee. Subs are quoted as one number then affiliation fees are added separately.
EG affiliation fee is £9.50 - you only pay this once at your home club.
In addition my Gloucestershire Golf Union fee is £14.55 and my wife’s Gloucestershire Golf Association fee is £12.05 - if you are a member of more than one club in the same County you pay just one County fee, but if you are a member in two different Counties you pay in both.
Affiliation fees are not always listed separately in England - perhaps in your club, but not everywhere.
 

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Almost all clubs in my area that I have looked at have their membership costs listed on their websites as - £x plus “Union levies to be added to all playing membership fees above. “
Sensible thing to put on your website if you ask me.
 
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Are you really saying that the club doesn't pass on the SG affiliation fee to members! That's either completely daft or it's included, but not separately, in the overall sub! Every club I've checked - including Scottish ones - has had the various elements separately listed! So I'd still argue that that it's the members that pay the levy and your view that it's the club that pays is simply a rubbish, biased one! Whether it's value for money - for the players - is a separate issue!
I've seen very few clubs list anything other than the full membership fee, but fair play to you for going round checking that.
 
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You are still under the misconception that clubs are the customers for the levy! Thy are merely the agents fo collection! As a demo of the fallacy, which of a players 2 clubs would not need to pay the levy! The answer - whichever one the player designates as his or her 2nd club, thus not needing to pay the levy! Somewhere in your years of IT you should learnt the simple data analysis concept involved!
Are you really suggesting that clubs would have a two tier system, and charge "home" players 15 quid more than away members if SG decided that members only need to pay the levy once? Most clubs don't even state there's a levy, just send an invoice for the full membership fee whatever that may be

I'm not sure what IT has to do with this, but yes it's a very simple data analysis now that everyone has a CDH number as their SG membership number, it would have been impossible to collate and check before.
 
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Almost all clubs in my area that I have looked at have their membership costs listed on their websites as - £x plus “Union levies to be added to all playing membership fees above. “
Sensible thing to put on your website if you ask me.
Just had a swatch at the 9 clubs on Deeside, none of them show the SG fee, Aboyne says it's included but that's the only club that even mentions it and doesn't say how much it is
 

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Just had a swatch at the 9 clubs on Deeside, none of them show the SG fee, Aboyne says it's included but that's the only club that even mentions it and doesn't say how much it is
I’m not sure why you wouldn’t mention it as a club. It is a cost that is outside your control and it confers benefits that you are not in charge of.
Seems a no brainer to separate it.
 

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Are you really suggesting that clubs would have a two tier system, and charge "home" players 15 quid more than away members if SG decided that members only need to pay the levy once? Most clubs don't even state there's a levy, just send an invoice for the full membership fee whatever that may be

I'm not sure what IT has to do with this, but yes it's a very simple data analysis now that everyone has a CDH number as their SG membership number, it would have been impossible to collate and check before.
I would expect the fees area would list Club take as £X, then County and SG levies as whatever is applicable, the latter 2 qualifid with 'if applicable'! They are all, levies on the player, not the club! And I'm almost certain that, even if it's not actually listed separately, the club will have worked out what it needs to charge, then adds the applicable levies! You still don't seemed to have understood the term 'Data Analysis'. Try googling 'Database design' or 'Codd and Date Relational Model'. FWIW, I don't believe there is a '2 tier system' as, a leas as far as know, the County and SG levies are payable at every club a player belongs to! If it doesn't, that's an even bigger argument for seperating them from club membership cost in th appropriate docs!
 
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I don't know of any club in my county that show or mention County (Union or Association) or EG affiliation fees on their website. But I haven't checked them all. There are a fair number that don't show the annual membership subs.
Incidentally, both male and female members at my club pay the same annual subs even though the Union and Association fees are significantly different.
 

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I don't know of any club in my county that show or mention County (Union or Association) or EG affiliation fees on their website. But I haven't checked them all. There are a fair number that don't show the annual membership subs.
Incidentally, both male and female members at my club pay the same annual subs even though the Union and Association fees are significantly different.
I think you are from Yorkshire? Admittedly I haven’t played many in that County and some like Alwoodley that I have played are sparse in membership information. However just checked Harrogate GC and their website says “
Fees:
Joining fee – 7, 6 and 5 day @ £350 (£200 for young adults) Union fees and insurance @ £17.45 for men and £20.00 for ladies”
I then checked a few random clubs and for example Beauchief (admittedgy not from being around the area I have zero knowledge of it) say “

Affiliation Fees​

Affiliation Fees in 2023 for MalesAffiliation Fees in 2023 for Females
England Golf - £9.50 per memberEngland Golf - £9.50 per member
Yorkshire Union of Golf Clubs - £3.95 per memberYorkshire Ladies County Golf Association - £6.50 per adult member, £2.00 per junior member
Sheffield Union of Golf Clubs - £2.50 per adult memberSheffield & District Ladies Golf Union - £35.00 per club
Yorkshire Ladies County Golf Association - £10.00 per club
Total - £15.95 per adult member, £13.45 per junior member


 

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Other clubs I selected from the list (I only got to the C’s in the alphabet list) say things such as:-

* All golfers will have to pay the relevant union fees which is included in the membership fees.

“6 Day Member - incl. YUGC affiliation fees, EGU fees, County Card, member's liability insurance and £50 bar spend.”​


So without bothering to check beyond a few, and as has been mentioned even costs are not stated by quite a lot, there are seemingly clubs that certainly do.

Again, why wouldn’t you mention the costs and benefits that the affiliation fees bring to a potential member?
 

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I keep dipping into this thread to see which issues WHS is being slated for……Apps and affiliation fees?
Perhaps I can provide a link then…….The WHS database will be used in the future ( I think from 2024) as the source data for the number of playing members in each club to calculate the affiliation fees.

link established 👏👏👏👏👏
 
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