WHS doesn't work

[AussieKB]

If they could do it with ease, they wouldn't be mid-high handicappers. For them, they need to have a great day to score that.

So now we're complaining about not winning with over-handicap scores? This is ridiculous.

The solution is to educate these golfers to the fact that, in a field of 100, they have a 1 in 100 chance of winning - they seem to think being a better player entitles them to a much greater chance than that, even when scoring well below their best.

Where did I complain about not winning ? I new that I had not played well enough to win, last event a player from my club won with 48 points, I congratulated him, but for low markers to have that score is unrealistic.....for me 8 under par is not achievable.

 

[patricks148]

No it was a Vet's stableford event 116 players in the field from all over, don't think I could play match play against someone receiving 40 shots, it would just do my head in.

Yes it'd difficult mentally giving that number of shots. We don't have many guys higher that 25, but some of the ladies games have real disparity in games, on of my friends wives was telling me about a game she had this year where she was giving 50 shots ?
Stableford is always going to suit Higher handicaps. The seniors that are stableford I just don't bother any longer, just not competitive in them.

 

[clubchamp98]

The ease of submitting scores without committee intervention is as a result of technology rather than the system. The same technologies and processes would have been introduced had we kept the old UHS system.

Yes I agree but under the old system you only got .1 back.
But now it can significantly change your HI up or down.
I do think that is an issue.
There will always be cheats but WHS / technology has made it much easier. Imo.

 

[clubchamp98]

Nobody can score in excess of 45 points with ease unless their handicap is wrong. This is a club issue, not a WHS issue.

34 points generally should come nowhere. So nothing wrong there. Two off your HI is probably the expected score. As you say, you knew it would happen, so outcome and your guess from experience were consistent. (the 6 over is nice golf still, though irrelevant in itself to the handicpped competition you were playing).

How is that a “club issue” in an open where players could come from 100 different clubs?

 

[clubchamp98]

No real difference between then and now - as long as you had someone to help you cheat.

You got .1 back before.
You can change your HI by a few shots now!
There is a difference .

 

[chellie]

Yes it'd difficult mentally giving that number of shots. We don't have many guys higher that 25, but some of the ladies games have real disparity in games, on of my friends wives was telling me about a game she had this year where she was giving 50 shots ?
Stableford is always going to suit Higher handicaps. The seniors that are stableford I just don't bother any longer, just not competitive in them.

Should be more than one matchplay competition then with handicap splits eg 30.0 and above indexes. Was bad enough giving 14 shots nearly each time in interclub matches.

 

[Slab]

Yes I agree but under the old system you only got .1 back.
But now it can significantly change your HI up or down.
I do think that is an issue.
There will always be cheats but WHS / technology has made it much easier. Imo.

Just curious (this is my first full year using WHS) how much can one round affect a players handicap index? (I know this might be how long is a piece of string) but ballpark what have folk seen happen to a HI from one poor round (compared with the .1 of old)

 

[wjemather]

Just curious (this is my first full year using WHS) how much can one round affect a players handicap index? (I know this might be how long is a piece of string) but ballpark what have folk seen happen to a HI from one poor round (compared with the .1 of old)

In theory, an increase of up to 5 can happen but in reality increases are small (<<1), and more often than not, there will no change at all.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

Just curious (this is my first full year using WHS) how much can one round affect a players handicap index? (I know this might be how long is a piece of string) but ballpark what have folk seen happen to a HI from one poor round (compared with the .1 of old)

too many variables to give an accurate answer.

It depends on the other scores in the players record, what is counting, what isn't counting etc.

I have had a round where I have gone up 0.1, I have had rounds where no change is made. I have also had rounds where I have gone up 0.5, despite shooting +5 (to CR, not par) as the score dropping off had a minus differential.

Massive changes are very few and far between.

Easiest way of working out the rough figure for an adjustment is to take work out the difference between the differential dropping off, and the new differential that will feature as part of the 8 scores. Take that number and divide by 8.

eg. Differential dropping off = -0.2
Differential going on to record= 4

Difference: 4.2

divide 4.2 by 8 = 0.525

Handicap increase of 0.525 (rounded to 0.5)

 

[abjectplop]

Just curious (this is my first full year using WHS) how much can one round affect a players handicap index? (I know this might be how long is a piece of string) but ballpark what have folk seen happen to a HI from one poor round (compared with the .1 of old)

The bigger jumps come when your really good rounds drop off and you haven't replaced them with anything nearly as good. I had a 2.9 differential drop off and the next best score to go onto my record was a differential of around 11 so index goes up by more than 1 full shot.

 

[Mandofred]

Just curious (this is my first full year using WHS) how much can one round affect a players handicap index? (I know this might be how long is a piece of string) but ballpark what have folk seen happen to a HI from one poor round (compared with the .1 of old)

I turn in a lot of casual rounds...since joining the new club towards the end of March I'm about 45 rounds turned in, only 2 have been comps. I'll play a lot more comps this next year. About a month ago I was down to 6.2 but I'm going through another bad patch and am back up to 8.0 already. One or two good rounds and I can go back down to under 7.....although another couple of bad rounds and I'll be up to around 8.5. I just like to turn in rounds.....if I only turned in the occasional comp things wouldn't change much at all. I've said it before......if I wanted to cheat it would be real easy to do so.

 

[Deleted member 25172]

My next 2 rounds coming off have score differentials of 3.5 and 4.3, and they will be replaced by 10.3's (unless the 2 rounds I'll be playing I somehow miraculously learn how to play golf again). That'll be quite a jump, but not sure what it'll be as I'll be crossing the "half-way line" of my index going up more than 5 shots in a year. My understanding is that once your index have gone up 2.5 shots within the space of a year then the rate will half? I might be wrong though. The only thing I know 100% is that I've forgotten how to play the golf of which I know I'm capable of. But that's for another thread.

 

[Swango1980]

Just curious (this is my first full year using WHS) how much can one round affect a players handicap index? (I know this might be how long is a piece of string) but ballpark what have folk seen happen to a HI from one poor round (compared with the .1 of old)

My Index is 8.9. If, for example, I was in a position to lose by best round in 20 and the round that replaced it was outside my top 8, my Index would increase by 0.7. So, handicaps can jump quite rapidly, and I'm sure there are plenty of other golfers, particularly higher handicappers, that could see bigger jumps.

What is more though, it is not uncommon for me to have my good scores bunched together (and that would be even more the case, if a golfer had their bad scores bunched together if they went through a period of intentional handicap building). So, you could submit 4 or 5 scores, lose 4 or 5 of your best 8, and go up very very quickly.

 

[Swango1980]

My next 2 rounds coming off have score differentials of 3.5 and 4.3, and they will be replaced by 10.3's (unless the 2 rounds I'll be playing I somehow miraculously learn how to play golf again). That'll be quite a jump, but not sure what it'll be as I'll be crossing the "half-way line" of my index going up more than 5 shots in a year. My understanding is that once your index have gone up 2.5 shots within the space of a year then the rate will half? I might be wrong though. The only thing I know 100% is that I've forgotten how to play the golf of which I know I'm capable of. But that's for another thread.

The soft cap is 3.0 shots, from your lowest index, before any extra above that is halved.

 

[Slab]

Cheers for rapid replies

It's likely that maybe half a shot to a shot would be a chunky change and more than one shot would be much rarer.
It seems fair to say then that handicap index changing 'significantly' is really only true if compared to the 0.1 system, and through normal use it'll typically only make up to a one shot difference on a bad day

 

[Swango1980]

Cheers for rapid replies

It's likely that maybe half a shot to a shot would be a chunky change and more than one shot would be much rarer.
It seems fair to say then that handicap index changing 'significantly' is really only true if compared to the 0.1 system, and through normal use it'll typically only make up to a one shot difference on a bad day

Going back to my point, my handicap has increased by 2 shots over a weekend before. In fact, I believe my course handicap went up by 3 shots in the space of 2-3 rounds before.

 

[Deleted member 25172]

The soft cap is 3.0 shots, from your lowest index, before any extra above that is halved.

Ah ok. That will be triggered then after the next two, again, if nothing spectacular happens.

 

[LincolnShep]

Just curious (this is my first full year using WHS) how much can one round affect a players handicap index? (I know this might be how long is a piece of string) but ballpark what have folk seen happen to a HI from one poor round (compared with the .1 of old)

Since WHS began, I've put in 43 cards, my index during that time has been between 16.2 and 21.0.

15 of the rounds have resulted in no change at all. My biggest cut was -1.3 and biggest increase was +1.0. The average of the increases is +0.4 and the average of the cuts is -0.5.

 

[Swango1980]

Since WHS began, I've put in 43 cards, my index during that time has been between 16.2 and 21.0.

15 of the rounds have resulted in no change at all. My biggest cut was -1.3 and biggest increase was +1.0. The average of the increases is +0.4 and the average of the cuts is -0.5.
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I'd expect nothing less in your detailed response

 

[Backsticks]

You got .1 back before.
You can change your HI by a few shots now!
There is a difference .

Not much though. You could get a shot back before. Now you can get a couple, but its quite a few rounds to do that. And exceeding three takes a LOT of bad golf.
So gaining 1 or 2 shots more than before does NOT explain 50 points or Net 59s.