WHS doesn't work

[wjemather]

I like how that's what you pick up on

Because they want to? I don't know or care to be honest, just know people at my club have played "matches" but as if its stroke play and they hole out for the full 18 - then they submit it

Again I really don't care what others are up to. The committee have no clue at my place and It wont change. Half of them would be guilty of this.

PCC was the origin of my post and no one has got a suggestion on that.

That's what gets picked up because the rest of your post didn't have anything of concern or that hasn't been done to death on these threads already.

Your Handicap Committee need to be made aware so they can put a stop to it (and delete any known unacceptable scores).

 

[wjemather]

Another whinge for pcc. 2 comps on Sunday, one mens, one womens. Womens course set up hard as nails all back tees forced carries maximised, all yrouble brought into play, they all got hammered by rain in the morning but despite this massive entry to well liked open event. Mens set up in exact opposite way, only a few played in still sunshine and shot the lights out. PCC went to +3 for men and women despite in effect 2 comps on two a different courses....

The club could request separate PCC calculations - and hopefully they'll receive a reminder that they should not be setting the course up this way.

 

[wjemather]

Hmm, I definitely remember playing match and strokeplay in a single round got you dq'd from both...

The feeling I get is England golf want you to enter strokeplay numbers everytime you tee it up, I wonder if that rule is now being overlooked....

Allowing stroke play and match play simultaneously is at the discretion of the competition committee - when allowed, the rules of stroke play must be followed, and if not allowed then you'll be DQd for doing so. Playing both is a practice that has never been encouraged, and I'm not aware of EG having ever suggested playing stroke every time.

 

[sweaty sock]

The club could request separate PCC calculations - and hopefully they'll receive a reminder that they should not be setting the course up this way.

I didnt know this was possible, thanks, Ill pass on to those concerned.

 

[Slab]

Allowing stroke play and match play simultaneously is at the discretion of the competition committee - when allowed, the rules of stroke play must be followed, and if not then you'll be DQd for doing so. Playing both is a practice that has never been encouraged, and I'm not aware of EG having ever suggested playing stroke every time.

off topic, I've done it several times and found it very easy to adapt to so I'm not sure why its discouraged (I'm not covered by EG) very handy in getting matches played on a strokeplay comp day (forum notorious for tales of getting MP organised) I would've thunk it'd actually be encouraged

 

[Bwgan]

Out of interest, how many out of the field scored Par or better?

 

[wjemather]

What relevance does par have?

 

[Bwgan]

Its a fixed number you can base your results against... same as CR (a constant)

 

[wjemather]

Its a fixed number you can base your results against... same as CR (a constant)

However, comparing results to Par gives you no clue as to how good or bad they are.

 

[rulefan]

Hmm, I definitely remember playing match and strokeplay in a single round got you dq'd from both...

The feeling I get is England golf want you to enter strokeplay numbers everytime you tee it up, I wonder if that rule is now being overlooked....

England Golf specifically say Matchplay scores are not acceptable even if all holes are completed.

 

[Bwgan]

It is if you need a % of the field to be Par or better.

 

[Steve Wilkes]

There's been a lot of posts on this topic along the lines "PCC isn't working In the comp today nobody bettered 34 points and PCC was 0".
But what about the general play cards put in outside of the comp, there could be a few cards put in with average score differentials, these would effect the PCC as well

 

[rulefan]

Its a fixed number you can base your results against... same as CR (a constant)

Par is simply the sum of the pars arbitrarily allocated to the individual holes. A par 4 can be anywhere between 240 & 490 yards. ie the course could be 4320 or 8820 and still par 72.
What does that tell you about difficulty? PCC is about how difficult the specific course and conditions were on that day

 

[Bdill93]

There's been a lot of posts on this topic along the lines "PCC isn't working In the comp today nobody bettered 34 points and PCC was 0".
But what about the general play cards put in outside of the comp, there could be a few cards put in with average score differentials, these would effect the PCC as well

My Sunday round was general play!

Saturday there was an arranged comp.

Ive just never seen a PCC kick in on a non-comp day at my place before this Sunday - and for it to be 3 seems pretty wild to me!

 

[Bdill93]

That's what gets picked up because the rest of your post didn't have anything of concern or that hasn't been done to death on these threads already.

Your Handicap Committee need to be made aware so they can put a stop to it (and delete any known unacceptable scores).

But as I said, plenty of the committee do this and in fact have facilitated players being grouped together in what would normally be random draw stroke play comps to get matches played concurrently.

 

[Bwgan]

Par is simply the sum of the pars arbitrarily allocated to the individual holes. A par 4 can be anywhere between 240 & 490 yards. ie the course could be 4320 or 8820 and still par 72.
What does that tell you about difficulty? PCC is about how difficult the specific course and conditions were on that day

Nothing on its own, its the relationship between it and the score on the day I'm looking at...

 

[IanM]

Oh good! Another "par means nothing" conversation!

 

[Swango1980]

off topic, I've done it several times and found it very easy to adapt to so I'm not sure why its discouraged (I'm not covered by EG) very handy in getting matches played on a strokeplay comp day (forum notorious for tales of getting MP organised) I would've thunk it'd actually be encouraged

There are different rules for each format, which is why it is not encouraged. Combining them means the compromise is that stroke play rules take priority. This is obviously not ideal for match play (if it was, they'd just make the rules the same for both after all).

 

[Slab]

There are different rules for each format, which is why it is not encouraged. Combining them means the compromise is that stroke play rules take priority. This is obviously not ideal for match play (if it was, they'd just make the rules the same for both after all).

Yeah totally get it, although its not really much of a compromise to play a match to strokeplay rules (at least for me) and easily outweighed by the benefits

 

[IanM]

If I was playing a "match" and someone started holing out to record a score after the hole was won/lost, I think I would walk in if it became any more than the odd tap in!

What happens if you have a downhill 12 footer for a half? Do you lag it to protect your medal card?