WHS doesn't work

[Slab]

BIB…or the one getting the boot might not have been a 1 of 8 ‘counter’ so losing it doesn’t matter one iota

…other than perhaps if it was a useful backup to one of your eight.

Yeah, I was just making the point that although this 'drop off' score was bad news for chris's index the next might not be (its disappearance could even lower the index)

 

[Swango1980]

I'm not 100% on the systems workings, but the score coming out that day is the main reason for the rise in handicap. Had it been the same as the one becoming a counting score I could have ,at least, played more than one (crap) round before going up

Before you teed off, your 8 best scores counted towards your handicap. Your 20th oldest was one of those 8. This could have been your best score in 20, 8th best, or somewhere in between. Given you said it was a winning score, I'm guessing it was one of your very best.

So, once you submitted another score, it was almost inevitable you'd get a big increase. Even on a nice day, unless you played really really well. But, even a score better than handicap could have seen an increase, unless it was close to matching one you lost. And, even if you did match or better that very good round, you'd get little or no improvement.

So, the fact you played badly on a bad day, your increase was inevitable. Regardless of PCC.

If you are frustrated about getting a bigger increase than 0.1, then look at it another way. Any time you tee off, there is a 60% chance the score you will lose is not one of your best 8. So, even if you have a bad day, you get absolutely no increase to handicap at all. There is probably a 10-20% chance that you will be losing a score, 5th to 8th best, that means that even a bad round will mean your handicap will only go up marginally. Only if you lose one of your very best rounds, will you see a bigger increase after a bad round. That might be 5-20% of your rounds, depending on how consistent your best scores are.

 

[chrisd]

Not sure I’m getting this
You said you played poorly (in wet weather) and that score kicked out your 20th oldest which was good (& happened to be 1yr old) The score for last year was always going to cease to be a counting score at some point & raise your index unless you kept matching/beating it

I had similar with a PB score pushed off by a score in ‘buffer’.. you want to talk about frustration, at least you know you played poorly

Incidentally have you looked at your 'new' 20th oldest score to give you a heads up what'll happen after your next round (it might just be be your least helpful one getting the boot)

My next score dropping out is a high score, but not a counting one, so Sunday's comp can be whatever it is. The issue really is that the system should reflect my current ability but is being affected by rounds 12 months ago . Several people have, understandably said, that I should put in general play cards but I play so much other golf I really dont have the time to play rounds just to keep the handicap under more control.

 

[Slab]

My next score dropping out is a high score, but not a counting one, so Sunday's comp can be whatever it is. The issue really is that the system should reflect my current ability but is being affected by rounds 12 months ago . Several people have, understandably said, that I should put in general play cards but I play so much other golf I really dont have the time to play rounds just to keep the handicap under more control.

Yeah the timings must be a beast to get right but at least with the new system we don't (shouldn't) have scores from several years ago affecting it, as used to happen

 

[chrisd]

Before you teed off, your 8 best scores counted towards your handicap. Your 20th oldest was one of those 8. This could have been your best score in 20, 8th best, or somewhere in between. Given you said it was a winning score, I'm guessing it was one of your very best.

So, once you submitted another score, it was almost inevitable you'd get a big increase. Even on a nice day, unless you played really really well. But, even a score better than handicap could have seen an increase, unless it was close to matching one you lost. And, even if you did match or better that very good round, you'd get little or no improvement.

So, the fact you played badly on a bad day, your increase was inevitable. Regardless of PCC.

If you are frustrated about getting a bigger increase than 0.1, then look at it another way. Any time you tee off, there is a 60% chance the score you will lose is not one of your best 8. So, even if you have a bad day, you get absolutely no increase to handicap at all. There is probably a 10-20% chance that you will be losing a score, 5th to 8th best, that means that even a bad round will mean your handicap will only go up marginally. Only if you lose one of your very best rounds, will you see a bigger increase after a bad round. That might be 5-20% of your rounds, depending on how consistent your best scores are.

I get the way it works and find no fault with what you say . It might be interesting (but I haven't worked it out) if all the latest 20 rounds were averaged to arrive at the handicap. This Sunday the weather conditions were not entirely the cause of my bad round but certainly played a big part and I wonder whether I should have pulled out as a fair few did.

 

[Bdill93]

Can anyone remind me when the soft cap kicks in please?

 

[D-S]

It’s triggered when your HI hits 3.0 higher than your low index. Hard Cap kicks in when it is 5.0 above.

 

[Imurg]

Can anyone remind me when the soft cap kicks in please?

3 shots above your lowest in the last year....increases are then limited to 50%..

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If I had a stonkingly good differential from an exceptional round 6months ago - and I haven’t done anything very close it since, then it will be biasing my handicap index to be lower than my recent rounds merit.

In truth I’d rather get rid of such rounds from my counting 8 as they are not representative of my golf. And being stonkingly good I will be unlikely to replace it with anything equivalent, however I am likely to have a ‘next best’ round in my 19 that will be close the others in my remaining 7.

 

[Imurg]

I'll be putting a card in tomorrow.
I have a good Score Diff dropping off as #20
Currently my next best SD is 4.7 higher.
If I don't better that number the index is going up 0.5 or 0.6...
I have a run of 6 counting cards in the next 10 rounds...
I need to shoot some scores....

 

[chrisd]

I'll be putting a card in tomorrow.
I have a good Score Diff dropping off as #20
Currently my next best SD is 4.7 higher.
If I don't better that number the index is going up 0.5 or 0.6...
I have a run of 6 counting cards in the next 10 rounds...
I need to shoot some scores....

Good luck Ian

 

[Swango1980]

I get the way it works and find no fault with what you say . It might be interesting (but I haven't worked it out) if all the latest 20 rounds were averaged to arrive at the handicap. This Sunday the weather conditions were not entirely the cause of my bad round but certainly played a big part and I wonder whether I should have pulled out as a fair few did.

Averaging your last 20 would not be a good handicap system. Worse players shoot a much higher range of scores, so they'd be able to shoot much much lower compared to their average on a good day, compared to a low handicap player.

Also, just imagine a very good player, or any player, who occasionally has a mental breakdown and shoots well over handicap when they get a few bad breaks. Those high scores would be very profitable for them, boosting their handicap

 

[chrisd]

Averaging your last 20 would not be a good handicap system. Worse players shoot a much higher range of scores, so they'd be able to shoot much much lower compared to their average on a good day, compared to a low handicap player.

Also, just imagine a very good player, or any player, who occasionally has a mental breakdown and shoots well over handicap when they get a few bad breaks. Those high scores would be very profitable for them, boosting their handicap

Then I learn that the last comp was abandoned due to bad weather and the committee dont know that the whole comp is then scrapped , scores and all

 

[Imurg]

Good luck Ian

Gonna need it

 

[Jimaroid]

A year’s nothing. I’ve got a round from 2017 about to drop off my 20.

 

[wjemather]

Then I learn that the last comp was abandoned due to bad weather and the committee dont know that the whole comp is then scrapped , scores and all

Scores from abandoned comps still count for handicapping.

 

[Alan Clifford]

A year’s nothing. I’ve got a round from 2017 about to drop off my 20.

 

[chrisd]

Scores from abandoned comps still count for handicapping.

Ok fine, what happens to the scores of players who, say have, 2 or 5 or 9 holes left to play when the abandonment comes, do they have any scores entered in their record?

 

[wjemather]

Ok fine, what happens to the scores of players who, say have, 2 or 5 or 9 holes left to play when the abandonment comes, do they have any scores entered in their record?

If ten or more holes are started, nett pars are added for unplayed holes (nett par+1 for the first hole not played if fewer than 14 holes are started). If fewer than 10 holes are started, scores are discarded.

 

[chrisd]

If ten or more holes are started, nett pars are added for unplayed holes (nett par+1 for the first hole not played if fewer than 14 holes are started). If fewer than 10 holes are started, scores are discarded.

Thanks !