Airlie_Andy
Challenge Tour Pro
Attending a flag when off the green and not taking the flag out if the ball is hit a bit too hard.
What 'rules' have you seen broken in comps?
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Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Playing in a medal last year FC1 asks FC2 to hold a branch (that was in his way) out of the way while he played his shot!
Thankfully I didn't have to get involved as FC2 knew it wasn't allowed.
Thankfully I didn't have to get involved as FC2 knew it wasn't allowed.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Easily done - I almost did it myself a couple of years back playing a mixed foursomes match. Our ball was close to a small tree and a branch was right at my lady PPs head height - I thought I'd be a gentleman and hold back the branch so it didn't scratch my partners face - then I remembered I couldn't. But it was a close run thing as I was thinking 'gentlemanly' thoughts rather than 'improve stance' type thoughts.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
...and similarly in such circumstances - if you are standing within reaching distance of the flag remember that you must remove it - you are deemed to be attending it even although you are not physically holding it.
Rule 17-1 Note 1: If the flagstick is in the hole and anyone stands near it while a stroke is being made, he is deemed to be attending the flagstick.
Sponge1980
Challenge Tour Pro
A member at my club tried a similar thing. His 4 ball was playing down the 7th fairway which has an internal oob running down the right handside. The other 3 were off in the left hand rough looking for a ball. They found it and everyone played up to the green. The player in question said he had a 5, failing to mention the 2 balls he had shanked out of bounds when nobody was looking. This was only brought to light by the group in front who had watched him do it
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Repairing a pitch mark in the fringe of the green on players line of play. Easy done.
Some of these stories are disturbing, especially out and out cheating as described above. How do these guys get away with it in competitive play and why aren't clubs doing anything about it
Swinger
Journeyman Pro
Is this two seperate ones or just one example?
As I understand it you can have the flag attended from anywhere. Is this not right?
Airlie_Andy
Challenge Tour Pro
My fault I wasn't very clear. You can have the flag attended from anywhere but you must take it out otherwise it's a penalty if the ball hits it. Some people think you can leave it in after the ball is struck.
mchacker
Head Pro
HomerJ, it's not really up to the club as they would require to watch the every move of every player to ascertain who are the cheats. This role is meant to be actioned by the players who should be reporting discretions for the club to act upon, if they don't the club dont know and can't rule accordingly.
Can't say I've seen anything classed as blatant cheating but plenty guessed entry of hazards and friendly holding of branches, also one or two who when taking a drop from a red hazard went back some distance toward where the previous shot had been played
Can't say I've seen anything classed as blatant cheating but plenty guessed entry of hazards and friendly holding of branches, also one or two who when taking a drop from a red hazard went back some distance toward where the previous shot had been played
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
as mchacker points out, the issue is actually with the other players in the instances raised here - and there will be many who will be even more concerned about the lack of action by those posting what they saw and, by implication didn't do, as the original 'offenses'!
put another way, posting that you knew someone was breaking the rules and did nothing is way more serious in the eyes of the rule makers than people not knowing the rules in a particular situation!
not quite sure why rosy dredged this one up though - his story was classic stand alone material
rosecott
Money List Winner
as mchacker points out, the issue is actually with the other players in the instances raised here - and there will be many who will be even more concerned about the lack of action by those posting what they saw and, by implication didn't do, as the original 'offenses'!
put another way, posting that you knew someone was breaking the rules and did nothing is way more serious in the eyes of the rule makers than people not knowing the rules in a particular situation!
not quite sure why rosy dredged this one up though - his story was classic stand alone material
Dredged? Whatever do you mean, Duncan?
This actually happened yesterday with a FC.
pbrown7582
Money List Winner
More post on an old thread rather than start a new one?
rosecott
Money List Winner
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
..and don't forget you don't have to be holding the flag to be attending it. And the default position is that the player by the flag is attending it for the player about to play on unless the latter asks the former to step away from the flag.
JCW
Journeyman Pro
Worst one was in a medal , 3 ball behind my group were playing give me`s on the green , I turn to my partner as we walked by them putting out on the 14th green at Knighton Heath and said did you see that and we reported them , other more common ones are improving the lie by stamping the ground behind the ball and by the time they are done you could hit a driver off the deck in the rough , also when in the trees , practice swings breaking leaves or branches .............others fall foul on the dropping rules and the correct way to drop . But my no 1 is in society golf ,they hit the ball out of bounds or lost ball and they walk to the spot they think they lost the ball which is always nearer to the green and drop one there and play 3 from there , must be from a rule book written by jimmy cheat that one ...........................EYG
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Of course this could be a 'local rule' a society has to keep play going. I'm not bothered with that sort of thing in the context of a society when it an understood 'local rule'. In essence no different from gimme's or not worrying too much about careful marking and measuring when dropping.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Heard something like this called a 'Bank of Scotland' rule - by some ex-employees of another Scottish Bank, whose Club has also been known to apply it.
Sensible way to improve pace of play in 'bounce' games. Not on in Competition ones though.
JCW
Journeyman Pro
Hear what you are saying , but these guys think that is the rule until they with someone who then points out its not , When I ran our work golf society a few years ago with my mate Russ , we made sure we played the new guys in so we got an idea about them ...................., Society golf is a good day out and a bit of fun ...................EYG
bladeplayer
Money List Winner
Just on this one .. if you play your ball and it ends up in the fringe , then another player in your group plays , their ball pitches on your line and leaves a mark .. isnt there a piece about you being entitled to the lie your shot gave you , so once you are sure it was the shot after yours that made the mark you may repair it ..
have never seen it in practice but it is there isnt it ?
