What makes it a non qualifier?

[woody69]

If everyone has to hole out, course measured standard rules of golf, what would make a shotgun start a non qualifier? Does the shotgun start cause the issue?

There was a nearest the pin on one hole, would that cause an issue?

Asking because a guy I know had the round of his life. Shot 50 points playing off 17 and been told he can't submit the card.

 

[rulefan]

Decision.1(g) Competitions in which competitors are authorised by the Committee to commence play elsewhere
than from the first tee will be Qualifying Competitions for handicap purposes provided all other
requirements of the UHS are satisfied. This includes ‘Shotgun Starts’.

 

[woody69]

Thanks, do you have a link that provides the requirements of the UHS?

 

[backwoodsman]

Decision.1(g) Competitions in which competitors are authorised by the Committee to commence play elsewhere
than from the first tee will be Qualifying Competitions for handicap purposes provided all other
requirements of the UHS are satisfied. This includes ‘Shotgun Starts’.

Presumably that means the club in OP case should be calculating CSS and adjusting everyone in the comp accordingly? (Although it sounds like they never had the intention of doing so?) They presumably can't/ won't deal with the one good card in isolation?

 

[rulefan]

They can't adjust from one card in isolation.

 

[rulefan]

Thanks, do you have a link that provides the requirements of the UHS?

http://www.congu.co.uk/

 

[Val]

If everyone has to hole out, course measured standard rules of golf, what would make a shotgun start a non qualifier? Does the shotgun start cause the issue?

There was a nearest the pin on one hole, would that cause an issue?

Asking because a guy I know had the round of his life. Shot 50 points playing off 17 and been told he can't submit the card.

I wondering if the guy would have expected a 0.1 back had he shot 25 points

 

[woody69]

I wondering if the guy would have expected a 0.1 back had he shot 25 points

I dunno. Turns out I was wrong though as it's not so much as he 'can't' submit the card, but is happy with the fact he doesn't have to and will go into their Saturday medal with no cut and a good chance to win it, whilst getting cut after.

Seems he thinks he's not 'protecting his handicap' as the comp he won, was effectively only a fiver back after you took off the entry fee. He doesn't get why people might be a little annoyed with him...

Say's he wants to get cut, but only whilst winning something. No idea he's a bandit.

Do people ever get cut on general play? He can't submit it as a supplementary as he didn't say before the comp it would be.

 

[rulefan]

Do people ever get cut on general play? .

Not for a one off situation like this. The handicap/comps committee should be taken to task for not making it a qualifier.

 

[nickjdavis]

Do people ever get cut on general play? He can't submit it as a supplementary as he didn't say before the comp it would be.

If the committee declared the comp to be a non-qualifier, he does not have the option to declare the round as a supplementary.

 

[Foxholer]

If the committee declared the comp to be a non-qualifier, he does not have the option to declare the round as a supplementary.

He would have had to have done so BEFORE he went out though - which he almost certainly didn't!

Edit! Also see Post 2 of the 'Playing as a One Man team' thread! http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?91627-Playing-as-a-one-man-team

 

[TomTom]

If everyone has to hole out, course measured standard rules of golf, what would make a shotgun start a non qualifier? Does the shotgun start cause the issue?

There was a nearest the pin on one hole, would that cause an issue?

Asking because a guy I know had the round of his life. Shot 50 points playing off 17 and been told he can't submit the card.

What was the format?

 

[duncan mackie]

He would have had to have done so BEFORE he went out though - which he almost certainly didn't!

Edit! Also see Post 2 of the 'Playing as a One Man team' thread! http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?91627-Playing-as-a-one-man-team

I think Nick's point was that even if he had done so before he went out it wouldn't have counted as a supplemental because he was playing in a competition that the committee had declared to be a non-qualifier!

The catch22 presumption is that there is a good (handicap) reason why the committee have declared it a non-qualifier.

 

[rulefan]

He would be ok if he had recused himself from the competition

 

[woody69]

What was the format?

It was combined stableford, i.e. scores for both players just added together.

His partner plays off 5 and scored 40 points, so they had 90!

 

[DCB]

As a "pairs" format it can't be a qualifier

 

[rulefan]

It was combined stableford, i.e. scores for both players just added together.

His partner plays off 5 and scored 40 points, so they had 90!

Were both players playing in the same group?

 

[woody69]

Were both players playing in the same group?

Yes

 

[rulefan]

Yes

To confirm DCB's post

CONGU Clause 17.2
The following returns are not acceptable as Qualifying Scores:
(d) scores returned in any form of competition in which competitors play in partnership
with another competitor in the same playing group;

 

[rulefan]

But to answer the question in the thread title:

17.2 The following returns are not acceptable as Qualifying Scores:
(a) scores returned in any four-ball better ball competition;
(b) scores returned in competitions over other than nine or 18 holes;
(c) scores returned in any competition in which the form of play is not covered by the
Rules of Golf and authorised Local Rules;
(d) scores returned in any form of competition in which competitors play in partnership
with another competitor in the same playing group;
(e) scores returned in a competition played with less than full handicap allowance unless
scores are recorded with full handicap applied and a Competition Scratch Score
calculated – see definition of a Qualifying Competition; and
(f) scores returned in an event run by any organisation which is not a Handicapping
Authority, unless the event has been previously approved by a Union as a Qualifying
Competition – see Clause 4.1(g).