What’s your favourite layup distance?

[Orikoru]

It's just convincing him to use one that's the next battle. I think it'd do him wonders especially as he is a good putter and it's like you say just an extension of that really.

As to your question honestly don't know, I think perhaps to do with the fact over the years he's been a real student of the game that he's literally over done it tried to many different things and completely screwed himself mentally, tried changing to many times that now he's got no idea anymore what to do or how to do it just over complicates and freezes

Might sound silly but you might want to try a hypnotherapist, or at least a sports psychologist or someone of that ilk. Someone that can 'wipe the slate clean' mentally and give him a blank slate moving forward.

 

[Wolf]

Might sound silly but you might want to try a hypnotherapist, or at least a sports psychologist or someone of that ilk. Someone that can 'wipe the slate clean' mentally and give him a blank slate moving forward.

There in lies my dad's issue.. He's old school in that if your feeling down or mentally off you man up m, don't discuss feelings or anything you just get on with it.

My brother had hypnotherapy for few weeks past year as he developed a huge fear of bridges of all things he literally wouldn't drive over one, at one point he stopped the car on the QE2 bridge and had to be escorted down by the police. My dad's answer to hypnotherapy for it, it's a load of crap just man up.

So sadly even though I believe it's all mental, dad seems to know best and that's where his issue lies. He can't or won't admit it's not a technique issue but a mental block..

 

[Orikoru]

There in lies my dad's issue.. He's old school in that if your feeling down or mentally off you man up m, don't discuss feelings or anything you just get on with it.

My brother had hypnotherapy for few weeks past year as he developed a huge fear of bridges of all things he literally wouldn't drive over one, at mine point he stopped the car on the QE2 bridge and had to be escorted down by the police. My dad's answer to hypnotherapy for it, it's a load of crap just man up.

So sadly even though I believe it's all mental, dad seems to know best and that's where his issue lies. He can't or won't admit it's not a technique issue but a mental l block..

Fair enough, it's always difficult reasoning with people who are set in their ways. If he was on the verge of quitting golf over it, you'd hope he be willing to try anything, but it's a shame if he's not.

 

[patricks148]

But your not taking into account people that literally cannot do it. My dad I've used as an example has an unbelievable block on anything under 100yards. Ex 4 handicap player and now is up in the low teens as the last 10 years has struggled so badly with pitching yips, he literally can't draw the club back.

Whilst I agree with you in the most part blanket statements like yours are not accounting for people with genuine issues and in some cases its not as easy as just getting a lesson or accepting things.

its not uncommon for even low players to have chipping yips, there's a lad at ours who is off +3 and has won the club champs and a couple of Am tournaments and got to the final of the Scottish Am championship a couple of years ago, can't chip at all, putts from all over the place, by his own admission this costs hip 2 or 3 shots a round. i did suggest he got a chipper, he didn't see the funny side

 

[duncan mackie]

Not sure he has Bob looks worth a go, I'll get him to try it. Cheers for that.

I've set more people up with this drill than any other - it works!

 

[Swinglowandslow]

So if he hits most green in reg why is he laying up? Sounds like another load of BS to me

Its amusing the lengths (if you'll pardon the pun) some will go to come up with a scenario to try and shoe horn this old wives tale into reality

I know people who cant chip, wont chip, will putt from anywhere and everywhere, use a hybrid so they dont shank it you name it, someone is doing it.

None of which make the underlying premise untrue.

This is a friendly discussion about something not too important in life- like whether you prefer apples to oranges- and you are getting quite pressing that your opinion should be accepted as the absolute truth. Phrases like "there's no telling some" and "bullshit" aren't really necessary?
As for my mate not laying up, I'm sure he found himself at times wondering if he could carry the ditch near the green,say,. So, he either hits right up to it and leaves a chip. (too many Weetabix might mean he goes in the ditch?)or he lays up to his full shot. Not that unusual a scenario is it.?

It boils down to this. You would hit near the ditch. Others would lay up.
Personal preference. Why do you have to convince the latter that they are wrong?

 

[Sats]

I'm not too bothered anything a 7iron or less in is good in my book so anything 170 or under.

 

[Imurg]

I know that it's not the only data that's being used to make points bit is anything that happens ,stat-wise, on the PGA TOUR relevant to the game we play at all?
Comparing our game to theirs is folly. Knowing that the PGA TOUR average distance from the pin from X yards is Y means nothing to most of us as, from that distance most of us are happy to just hit the green.

 

[robinthehood]

I know that it's not the only data that's being used to make points bit is anything that happens ,stat-wise, on the PGA TOUR relevant to the game we play at all?
Comparing our game to theirs is folly. Knowing that the PGA TOUR average distance from the pin from X yards is Y means nothing to most of us as, from that distance most of us are happy to just hit the green.

Tons of data from all levels, from PGA to weekend warriors. The fact that so many people now use golf tracking devices like arcoss and game golf mean there is a real wealth of info . It all says the same thing.

 

[robinthehood]

This is a friendly discussion about something not too important in life- like whether you prefer apples to oranges- and you are getting quite pressing that your opinion should be accepted as the absolute truth. Phrases like "there's no telling some" and "bullshit" aren't really necessary?
As for my mate not laying up, I'm sure he found himself at times wondering if he could carry the ditch near the green,say,. So, he either hits right up to it and leaves a chip. (too many Weetabix might mean he goes in the ditch?)or he lays up to his full shot. Not that unusual a scenario is it.?

It boils down to this. You would hit near the ditch. Others would lay up.
Personal preference. Why do you have to convince the latter that they are wrong?

You reckon your 7 handicap mate hits most greens. I called BS. Everything else you posted in the above reply is wasted typing.
You're using an example to prove an irrelevant point . It's what always happens
Get as close as you can without getting your self in to trouble.
That's all I am saying.

 

[Slime]

He does Homer absolutely soul destroying, he loves the game and keeps going back to play as its his outlet. But the more it goes on the worse it gets and has spoken about what's the point playing. I'd say he actually needs to get a chipper for around the greens just something to try and help alleviate some of it. The pitching however it's another issue how we solve that I don't know.

When I play with him it's awful to see him hit it so well then fall apart if he leaves less than 100yards. He was Captain of the A team, won so many board comps Strokeplay and matchplay and now he can't get near the hole it's really quite sad.

Being serious, has he ever considered therapy?

 

[garyinderry]

If someone prefers to lay up to 100 yards rather than 30, they will likely get down in 3 rather than 2.

The data backs up the fact you are more likely to get down in 2 the closer you are to the hole.


Maybe those laying up well back are happy to get down in 3 strokes.

 

[Wolf]

Being serious, has he ever considered therapy?

As per my previous reply to Orikoru asking same question. I believe he needs it, but he won't admit it thus won't consider it. Denial seems to be his preferred method of dealing with it insisting it's mechanical when in fact you can see it's mental.

 

[garyinderry]

As per my previous reply to Orikoru asking same question. I believe he needs it, but he won't admit it thus won't consider it. Denial seems to be his preferred method of dealing with it insisting it's mechanical when in fact you can see it's mental.

I'd love to see footage of this car crash stuff.

I'd also love to have a go at fixing him.

 

[Orikoru]

I'd love to see footage of this car crash stuff.

I'd also love to have a go at fixing him.

Sounds like he's not overly willing to be fixed.

 

[Wolf]

Sounds like he's not overly willing to be fixed.

Yup this. Won't admit where the fault is, I explained earlier in the thread what we tried and worked but next time we actually played refused to acknowledge that approach. It's purely mental so video footage of his technique won't help.

 

[garyinderry]

You would think he would try anything.


Nightmare situation to be in.

My bro has gone up from 14 to 23 but he could never chip. With him its purely technical which leads to making panicky swipes and scoops at the ball.

 

[Wolf]

You would think he would try anything.


Nightmare situation to be in.

My bro has gone up from 14 to 23 but he could never chip. With him its purely technical which leads to making panicky swipes and scoops at the ball.

That's the problem Gary he sits and goes on YouTube constantly look at ways to improve his technique. But in truth his technique in practise is fine, it's once he goes to play he suddenly becomes uptight which makes him mechanical and chunks it, so what's he do goes straight back on YouTube blaming his technique to find another fix.

He needs to literally get out of his own way and free himself up when he does that he is fine and it's how he plays with his woods, irons and putts the same way. He has such a simplistic swing and putting action. Picks up a pitch shot and suddenly over thinks it all and won't admit its in his head and to play the way he does his long game or putting routine.

Absolutely ridiculous

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The info is out of date as I've not used game golf in a long time and is prior to a lot of work I've done on my pitching (both normal method and linear)

Inside 100 yards (inside 15 yard - Game Golf default) 80% (11% short 3% left 0% right 2% long)
75-10 yards 83% (2% short 7% left 0% right 4% long)
50-75 yards 76% (21% short 0% left right or long)
25-50 yards (inside 5 yards - Game Golf default) 30% (43% short 5% left 5% right 17% long)
0-25 yards (inside 5 yards) 94$ (4% short 1% long 0% left and right)

Clearly then 25-50 yards is/was my nemesis and would have correlated to the short game issues well documented on here. I have worked really hard on that area in the last few years although have ironically stopped taking stats so it would be interesting to repeat this via game golf or similar again and see over say 6 months how the numbers stack up

 

[Slab]

I don’t have a favourite layup distance. My layup will always be to a location i.e the closest point to the green that’s reasonably safe (i.e safer than the most likely miss if I’d gone for the green)
I’m pretty certain that, whatever the chip/pitch distance that may leave me for my next shot, I’ll have a club in the bag that I can use