US Open

[Imurg]

But for every Brit, there will be a Spanish kid, an Italian kid, a German kid, Australian, Japanese, South Korean, Chinese, Indian, Swedish, Norweigan.........

The advantage they have in the US, can't be just down to the coaching from a young age - I've seen some excellent kids here in Spain - 12 year olds off 6 handicap, and that's the ones I've actually come across locally while taking Jamie to tournaments - there's loads of them out there with the potential.

Then the next question is, if the US has such good coaching opportunities for youngsters, why do they, and whay aren't the rest of the world trying to catch up.

Coaching, opportunity, desire, money......
South Korea have many of the worlds best women golfers....where are the men..?

 

[Mel Smooth]

The college system in the US has so much money, is so well set up. You can get intense coaching, great facilities, virtually be a professional for 3 years. Any half decent golfer, I know ones from this area who have gone with a 5 h/c, not +5, is off there like a shot if they get the chance. It's the best training ground in the world.

I agree, and they are obviously scouting the globe for potential, we've seen some great European players develop their games recently through the college programmes.
Be interested to know what percentage of kids in the colleges are US citizens versus overseas students, because I'd imagine the colleges want the best golfers regardless of nationality, and yet we still see the American kids coming through and dominating.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

But for every Brit, there will be a Spanish kid, an Italian kid, a German kid, Australian, Japanese, South Korean, Chinese, Indian, Swedish, Norweigan.........

The advantage they have in the US, can't be just down to the coaching from a young age - I've seen some excellent kids here in Spain - 12 year olds off 6 handicap, and that's the ones I've actually come across locally while taking Jamie to tournaments - there's loads of them out there with the potential.

Then the next question is, if the US has such good coaching opportunities for youngsters, why do they, and whay aren't the rest of the world trying to catch up.

For one thing, a 12 year old playing off 6 isn’t very good.
They should be scratch at the highest if they are going anywhere.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Coaching, opportunity, desire, money......
South Korea have many of the worlds best women golfers....where are the men..?

Weight lifting

 

[Mel Smooth]

Coaching, opportunity, desire, money......
South Korea have many of the worlds best women golfers....where are the men..?

Well maybe that's part of the answer to my question, don't South Korean girls attract a lot of sponsorship which helps them to develop, which maybe gives them more of an advantage than the South Korean boys coming through, and of course, they might be up against weaker opposition. Golf in the west is traditionally a male dominated game, very few young girls participate in comparison to boys, whereas in South Korea, I'd imagine from what I've seen, that participation by girls is realitively high.

 

[Jimaroid]

Rory (and others) - "I want to play against the best players in the world"

14 americans and 7 non americans make up the top 21 of the leaderboard. Are the USA now that dominant in the game of golf across the world, that's a ridiculous skew of statistics if that's the case.

What do you mean “now that dominant”?

 

[Jimaroid]

They’ve always dominated since they took up the game.

Pure trolling. In my opinion. Which I believe I am allowed to.

 

[Mel Smooth]

For one thing, a 12 year old playing off 6 isn’t very good.
They should be scratch at the highest if they are going anywhere.

Scratch at the highest at 12?

Surely most 12 year olds don't have the physical development to move the ball far enough to be achieveing the scores needed for scratch golf.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I agree, and they are obviously scouting the globe for potential, we've seen some great European players develop their games recently through the college programmes.
Be interested to know what percentage of kids in the colleges are US citizens versus overseas students, because I'd imagine the colleges want the best golfers regardless of nationality, and yet we still see the American kids coming through and dominating.

Still mainly US due to cost. Not every golfer will be on a scholarship and the cost of higher education over there is terrifying, my son has a friend at Harvard who only has a small scholarship and his parents are paying a fortune. If an American goes to a college within their state the fees are relatively low. It's only when the go outside of their state that the costs rocket.

Also bear in mind, not everyone wants to move to another country/continent at 18. It's a big scary move.

 

[evemccc]

He's been working hard using the Stack system...building his speed nicely.

Pretty sure Fitzpatrick was quoted (misquoted?) in 2020 as saying there’s no skill in hitting the driver a long way..

 

[Mel Smooth]

What do you mean “now that dominant”?

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But that's going back to include periods when players simply could not travel internationally.

Between 1980 and 1996, The Masters was won just 7 times by an American.

Between 2000 and 2014, The US Open was won 6 times by an American.

The pendulum has now swung back in their favour, and all I'm asking, is why that is?

 

[evemccc]

But that's going back to include periods when players simply could not travel internationally.

Between 1980 and 1996, The Masters was won just 7 times by an American.

Between 2000 and 2014, The US Open was won 6 times by an American.

The pendulum has now swung back in their favour, and all I'm asking, is why that is?

And that’s a good question..(to which I personally have no intelligent answer)

Conversely, the tennis world is quite terrified at the current and recent relative dearth of US talent in mens tennis, and of Osaka not being the force they hope her to be in women’s tennis

 

[PhilTheFragger]

They’ve always dominated since they took up the game.

Pure trolling. In my opinion. Which I believe I am allowed to.

This is not trolling, an opinion is being questioned and discussed in an adult manner, which is what we want to see here.

The word troll is banded around too easily in my opinion, I do not want to see accusations of trolling being posted here.
I would much rather people send me a pm with their observations

 

[Jimaroid]

This is not trolling, an opinion is being questioned and discussed in an adult manner, which is what we want to see here.

The word troll is banded around too easily in my opinion, I do not want to see accusations of trolling being posted here.
I would much rather people send me a pm with their observations

With some respect I entirely disagree with your interpretation. There is intent and pattern of agenda involved.

But I will leave it there, have a good day.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Scratch at the highest at 12?

Surely most 12 year olds don't have the physical development to move the ball far enough to be achieveing the scores needed for scratch golf.

Of course they do.
What do you think the top players all played off at 12?

Our club champ one year was a + aged 13. He also won the county match play. Later on the Winner of the McEvoy and Reid trophy, and Irish boys.
Now a challenge tour player, and struggling.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So about the US Open then ?

thought Rory showed a lot of maturity after that double , it could have been the end of his tournament but some stellar golf after got it all back and a couple of inches here and there he could have been a couple ahead

Has the potential to be a very good Saturday with the big names at the top

have to say did give myself a little chuckle seeing how bad Mickleson was ?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

So about the US Open then ?

thought Rory showed a lot of maturity after that double , it could have been the end of his tournament but some stellar golf after got it all back and a couple of inches here and there he could have been a couple ahead

Has the potential to be a very good Saturday with the big names at the top

have to say did give myself a little chuckle seeing how bad Mickleson was ?

Rory played some excellent golf. Everyone will have bogies, so not too much issue with the odd one.
Fitz up there still, he and Rahm love a tough course.

But Morikawa, for a man struggling with his game is impressive.
Not to mention the world no 1 at the pointy end.

Excellent to see such a strong leaderboard. That’s what we like to see!

 

[Backache]

Of course they do.
What do you think the top players all played off at 12?

Our club champ one year was a + aged 13. He also won the county match play. Later on the Winner of the McEvoy and Reid trophy, and Irish boys.
Now a challenge tour player, and struggling.

My impression is that in most sports the best performers age 12-13 are not usually the ones who make it.
A lot of the best performers play many sports at this age and the ones who do best go onto specialise a little later, maybe age 14-16.
They have some catching up to do but the tend to overtake the early specialists.

 

[Foxholer]

I agree, and they are obviously scouting the globe for potential, we've seen some great European players develop their games recently through the college programmes.
Be interested to know what percentage of kids in the colleges are US citizens versus overseas students, because I'd imagine the colleges want the best golfers regardless of nationality, and yet we still see the American kids coming through and dominating.

Check out the Palmer Cup alumni. This is an annual event for US College under-grads with teams from US and Europe. Results were slightly in favour of US before Ladies/Girls event added and a 3-1 since makes results almost identical (US lead by 1 now).
Seem to be a lot more recognisable names in USA participants, though certainly some recognisable Europeans - Rahm, Sabbatini, Dunne, Donald, Davies and several others. This, while not an equitable sample, would indicate that it's what happens AFTER college that's important. That certainly seemed to be the case or the several tennis players I knew or was aware from NZ who went to US Colleges with a Tennis scholarship. Only 1, Kelly Evernden, progressed into Pro ranks from that era.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Of course they do.
What do you think the top players all played off at 12?

Our club champ one year was a + aged 13. He also won the county match play. Later on the Winner of the McEvoy and Reid trophy, and Irish boys.
Now a challenge tour player, and struggling.

I know some players will be off scratch at a young age, but some that go on to be good players wont be. Some will have developed physically whereas some wont.

I wouldn't be writing off any player of any sport at that age tbh.