Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
BTW..... is the OP the genuine article or an imposter
chrisd
Major Champion
For those who can't carry, I don't think that pull trolleys do that much damage, compared with electric trolleys or golf buggies. Sandy Lodge GC had a carrying only rule last week, but those with a medical certificate could use a pull trolley. I usually leave 3 or 4 clubs out of my bag and carry in the Winter. It's surprising what a difference these few clubs makes. Maybe there is a case for reducing the maximum number of clubs you are allowed to carry, which would reduce the need for trolleys and buggies? I don't really seem to miss the missing clubs in my bag that much! :mmm:
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Psychew
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No I advocate for all there for asking for reasonable adjustment and exceptions for those with disability to allow them to play As someone said would be loads of golfers so damage would be minimal esp if paths made for their trolleys and wet weather single ride Buggies available to go on course
UlyssesSky
Head Pro
And you actually consider building trolley paths and purchasing "wet weather single ride buggies" for a handful of golfers per club "reasonable adjustment"?
chrisd
Major Champion
I don't see that your requests are in any way "reasonable". Have you any idea about golf and the cost implications of what you suggest? If clubs were to forced to do this, or close, when conditions would require no buggies/trolleys then your totally selfish attitude would just stop everyone playing.
I can't believe that you're so utterly selfish!
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Reasonable went out the window the minute you mentioned taking clubs to court
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
I have found the elusive needle in a haystack - a post from Doon that I agree with.
:rofl:
You are not alone in that
AMcC
Journeyman Pro
I would add that it always difficult to quantify reasonable.
Is the cost of installing paths to the required standards, possibly hundreds of thousands of pounds, reasonable if it is only to benefit less than 1% of the club's membership.
There is an apocryphal story about a club, let's say somewhere in Central Scotland, that was being forced to install such paths and the wheels came of the case when the main complainant was seen carrying his cart bag over his shoulder all the way back to the clubhouse after his buggy broke down in the corner of the course furthest away from the clubhouse.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
I see no reason why anyone with a disability, serous or slight, cannot use a trolly if they so wish.
It is ride on buggies that I have problems with.
A course can use common sense and ask for trollies to stick to the rough for those disabled or too old to carry.
Common sense should be applied by all sides here. Management and players.
It is ride on buggies that I have problems with.
A course can use common sense and ask for trollies to stick to the rough for those disabled or too old to carry.
Common sense should be applied by all sides here. Management and players.
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Hello Psychew, welcome to the forum :thup: Will you be sticking around after this thread has died a death due to boredom?
For what it's worth, there really isn't much in the way of 'serious' golf played at this time of year, it's just about a bit of fresh air and exercise. Bearing this in mind, is there any reason why your 'friend' can't just go out with a small pencil bag and 5 or 6 clubs instead of requiring a fully loaded trolley? Or have you just got a bee in your bonnet and you're trying to stir up ill-informed trouble?
For what it's worth, there really isn't much in the way of 'serious' golf played at this time of year, it's just about a bit of fresh air and exercise. Bearing this in mind, is there any reason why your 'friend' can't just go out with a small pencil bag and 5 or 6 clubs instead of requiring a fully loaded trolley? Or have you just got a bee in your bonnet and you're trying to stir up ill-informed trouble?
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
I would agree with this. Or if it's just a friendly game why not offer to let him put 3 or 4 clubs in your bag and you can carry them for him? Driver, 6/7 iron, wedge and putter would get most people round a course if they wanted to play.
Also, I don't know the full rules regarding the Disability Discrimination Act but how can it be discriminatory against disabled people if everyone is being treated the same by not allowing buggies/trolleys?
chellie
Tour Winner
Agree with this.
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Psychew
I haven't read all the replies on here and I'm sure it has already been mentioned but have you considered that buggy/trolley bans are also imposed for H&S reasons? My course has several steep hills and paths, if it is wet/muddy/frosty they can be quite dangerous. When there is a trolley ban in place, you can route traffic through the rough or trees to avoid these areas. I'm sure disabled people appreciate the club looking out for their welfare :thup:
I haven't read all the replies on here and I'm sure it has already been mentioned but have you considered that buggy/trolley bans are also imposed for H&S reasons? My course has several steep hills and paths, if it is wet/muddy/frosty they can be quite dangerous. When there is a trolley ban in place, you can route traffic through the rough or trees to avoid these areas. I'm sure disabled people appreciate the club looking out for their welfare :thup:
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
It's more about achieving equitable outcomes, I believe. The impact of banning trolleys disproportionately affects someone who is unable to carry due to disability.
Pathetic Shark
Tour Rookie
My club doesn't have a trolley ban which means you get a ton of rut marks across fringes of greens because some idiots think that is acceptable to drive their 4-wheel tractors as close to the putting surface as possible. We even pointed this out to one of the main culprits, the club president and he just shrugged his shoulders and then carried on bitching about the state of the rest of the course. Real "I'm all right Jack" attitude.
fenwayrich
Assistant Pro
I am not an expert on the Equality Act, but not allowing the use of buggies would seem to be a potential example of indirect discrimination. This occurs when a practice is applied in the same way to everybody but it puts individuals with a disability at a particular disadvantage. However the legislation also states that indirect discrimination can be justified if the practice is a reasonable way of achieving a legitimate aim.
I think it is fair to say that the banning of buggies (and indeed trollies) with the aim of protecting the course from excessive damage in wet winter weather) is perfectly legitimate.
I think it is fair to say that the banning of buggies (and indeed trollies) with the aim of protecting the course from excessive damage in wet winter weather) is perfectly legitimate.
bluewolf
Money List Winner
Simple solution.. Trolley/Buggy ban stays in place for everyone who cannot provide a medical certificate.. Also, ask the membership to be more aware of those who struggle.. I'd quite happily carry a few extra clubs for a PP who was struggling to get out on the course otherwise..
Sats
Challenge Tour Pro
Why would you want to ruin a course? I'm sure those who churn up the fairways would moan if it was hooligans on 50cc blatting around. Also they'd be the first to moan that someone hasn't got a tailored shirt on or god forbid has a hat on in the bar.......right hook anyone?
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Unfortunately in life, things aren't always fair and sometimes you just have to accept that some people will be disadvantaged. Where does it end? Why not make all amateur football 'walking only' so that older people or slightly chubby people can compete on an even level?
OK, tongue in cheek but sometimes that's just the way it is.
OK, tongue in cheek but sometimes that's just the way it is.
